Comments on: Setting and acheiving goals http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/setting-and-acheiving-goals/ In which news, politics and religion are mixed - a potentially volatile combination Fri, 27 Jan 2012 05:59:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Tony http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/setting-and-acheiving-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-3334 Tony Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:50:28 +0000 http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/?p=506#comment-3334 Thanks for a wonderful post Brother Malone. I agree with Carol that none of it matters if you don't act, have that motivation to achieve your goals. I believe that the knowledge I have of God's love and confidence in me gives me the motivation to try my best that I might reach my full divine potential as a son of our Heavenly Father. Goals can surely help us on that way, as with anything else we aspire to. I hope all is well with you and the wife. We too, got a new bishop, and I was (and still am) quite overwhelmed by it all. I would love it if you could visit my blog when you have the time and read some of my thoughts on the bishopric and the special Spirit that attended the meeting. http://moroniwearsatie.blogspot.com/2009/10/on-this-day-of-pentecost.html It's great that your continuing your posts. I look forward to more. God Bless, Tony Thanks for a wonderful post Brother Malone. I agree with Carol that none of it matters if you don’t act, have that motivation to achieve your goals. I believe that the knowledge I have of God’s love and confidence in me gives me the motivation to try my best that I might reach my full divine potential as a son of our Heavenly Father. Goals can surely help us on that way, as with anything else we aspire to.

I hope all is well with you and the wife. We too, got a new bishop, and I was (and still am) quite overwhelmed by it all. I would love it if you could visit my blog when you have the time and read some of my thoughts on the bishopric and the special Spirit that attended the meeting.
http://moroniwearsatie.blogspot.com/2009/10/on-this-day-of-pentecost.html

It’s great that your continuing your posts. I look forward to more.

God Bless,
Tony

]]> By: Crusty http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/setting-and-acheiving-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-3329 Crusty Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:20:54 +0000 http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/?p=506#comment-3329 Tim said, "You can set a goal to have another person do some specific thing that is desirable, but you have no control over what they actually do. You can ask, invite, persuade and demonstrate why they should, but you can’t make them do it."..."Those whom I love and serve seem to respond better when I ask them to do something that I believe will help them." Actually, Tim, you can go far beyond asking, inviting, persuading, and demostrating in an attempt to help other people. 'Not by force, but by gentle persuasion,' as suggested by God is not a very effective way of getting people to do what you want them to do. There are far better ways to get people to do what you want them to do. In fact, it's possible, to some extent to force people to live righteously and take away their choices to the point where they will surely do what's right and return to live with God. It's actually not a secret, and it's fairly commonly used. In fact you and most other people have used the method before, without even realizing it. It's the government! Instead of setting goals to persuade people to do things, you should set goals to create legislation which forces people to act righteously. It's actually quite easy. You don't even need a majority of people to agree with you, as the concept of democracy suggests. We don't really live in a democracy. You really just need money to buy votes or buy influence over representatives, or you can just become a lobbyist. Then, once you get a law passed, you don't even have to be the one who enforces the law. There are guys with guns (police) who will go around, on your behalf, and force people to act righteously. That way, you don't have to feel bad about using a gun to force people to act righteously. It's as harmless as hiring a hitman to kill somebody. Either way, you can do a lot of good for a lot of people, and you don't have to wait around for people to become persuaded. I guess God never thought of using force to limit people's choice and get people to do things you want them to do, because it's highly effective, and way easier than that 'gentle persuasion' nonsense. How's your wife? I hope she's doing better. Tim said, “You can set a goal to have another person do some specific thing that is desirable, but you have no control over what they actually do. You can ask, invite, persuade and demonstrate why they should, but you can’t make them do it.”…”Those whom I love and serve seem to respond better when I ask them to do something that I believe will help them.”

Actually, Tim, you can go far beyond asking, inviting, persuading, and demostrating in an attempt to help other people. ‘Not by force, but by gentle persuasion,’ as suggested by God is not a very effective way of getting people to do what you want them to do. There are far better ways to get people to do what you want them to do. In fact, it’s possible, to some extent to force people to live righteously and take away their choices to the point where they will surely do what’s right and return to live with God.

It’s actually not a secret, and it’s fairly commonly used. In fact you and most other people have used the method before, without even realizing it. It’s the government!

Instead of setting goals to persuade people to do things, you should set goals to create legislation which forces people to act righteously. It’s actually quite easy. You don’t even need a majority of people to agree with you, as the concept of democracy suggests. We don’t really live in a democracy. You really just need money to buy votes or buy influence over representatives, or you can just become a lobbyist.

Then, once you get a law passed, you don’t even have to be the one who enforces the law. There are guys with guns (police) who will go around, on your behalf, and force people to act righteously. That way, you don’t have to feel bad about using a gun to force people to act righteously. It’s as harmless as hiring a hitman to kill somebody.

Either way, you can do a lot of good for a lot of people, and you don’t have to wait around for people to become persuaded. I guess God never thought of using force to limit people’s choice and get people to do things you want them to do, because it’s highly effective, and way easier than that ‘gentle persuasion’ nonsense.

How’s your wife? I hope she’s doing better.

]]> By: Coffinberr http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/setting-and-acheiving-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-3320 Coffinberr Tue, 27 Oct 2009 04:26:06 +0000 http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/?p=506#comment-3320 Goal-setting types annoy me. I do what I set out to do. But I make none of these stupid goal things. Ick. Ack. Yuk. I wish people would quit preaching the gospel of Goals. Bleh. Goal-setting types annoy me. I do what I set out to do. But I make none of these stupid goal things. Ick. Ack. Yuk. I wish people would quit preaching the gospel of Goals. Bleh.

]]> By: Carol http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/setting-and-acheiving-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-3317 Carol Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:56:04 +0000 http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/?p=506#comment-3317 You need to have a goal or something you want to accomplish. If you don't have a goal then what good is goal setting. I prefer moving through life one day at at time---aimlessly. I tried in the past to set goals and failed miserably so I quit setting goals. I'm not sure how I lost 104 pounds last year without a written and set goal. It just happened. Now I'm having trouble getting back the motivation to lost the rest. How do you define a goal that's obtainable, set reasonable, marked steps without motivation and drive? That the real question, isn't it? You need to have a goal or something you want to accomplish. If you don’t have a goal then what good is goal setting. I prefer moving through life one day at at time—aimlessly. I tried in the past to set goals and failed miserably so I quit setting goals. I’m not sure how I lost 104 pounds last year without a written and set goal. It just happened. Now I’m having trouble getting back the motivation to lost the rest. How do you define a goal that’s obtainable, set reasonable, marked steps without motivation and drive? That the real question, isn’t it?

]]> By: S.Faux http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/setting-and-acheiving-goals/comment-page-1/#comment-3313 S.Faux Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:55:47 +0000 http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/?p=506#comment-3313 Tim: I am glad you are back on-line. Your topic on goals is similar to what I just posted on my blog: "Establish your life goals and aim to accomplish them. Life is like chess. You always play better when having a plan. Don’t live your life from “move to move.” Know instead several moves ahead. Have a plan, but also have the freedom to revise it and update it." Good news about Carol. Thanks for sharing. Tim:

I am glad you are back on-line.

Your topic on goals is similar to what I just posted on my blog: “Establish your life goals and aim to accomplish them. Life is like chess. You always play better when having a plan. Don’t live your life from “move to move.” Know instead several moves ahead. Have a plan, but also have the freedom to revise it and update it.”

Good news about Carol. Thanks for sharing.

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