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		<title>The Ambush</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Aug 2011 15:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[“I don’t think Manny knows what he’s talking about,” whispered the astronomer from Harvard.  I could hear her clearly even though she was five rows back. “It’s obvious he still doesn’t understand celestial mechanics,” said her companion, who didn’t even &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-ambush/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/planets.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-857" title="planets" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/planets.jpg" alt="" width="220" height="156" /></a>“I don’t think Manny knows what he’s talking about,” whispered the astronomer from Harvard.  I could hear her clearly even though she was five rows back.</p>
<p>“It’s obvious he still doesn’t understand celestial mechanics,” said her companion, who didn’t even bother to whisper. My daughter Cynthia turned around and glared at them. I ignored the whisperers and continued with my presentation.</p>
<p>“It’s time for scientists of the world, starting in this conference, to acknowledge there are other forces at work in the heavens besides gravity. Electromagnetism as a source of energy is billions of times more powerful than gravity. The planets are charged bodies.”</p>
<p>“So now you’re an expert on unified field theory. Get off the podium, Volynsky. Just because you knew Einstein doesn’t make you a scientist.” I recognized the other Harvard delegate as Harrison Stafford, who had been criticizing my work for years.</p>
<p>“As I was saying before I was interrupted, the historical record is clear. Earth has suffered natural catastrophes on a global scale both before and early in recorded history. The evidence for these catastrophes can be found in the recent geological record.”</p>
<p>“And you’ve been proven wrong over and over again. Give it up Manny. You’re a deluded crackpot. When are you going to accept the obvious?” I had known Harrison to be combative in his writing, but never rude like this in a public forum.</p>
<p>I turned to the moderator of the panel. “Mr. Goldstone, will you please ask members of the audience to be respectful? I was invited to present my research to an intelligent company of distinguished scientists. Is this a demonstration of the scientific method in action?”</p>
<p>Although it appeared Mr. Goldstone was amused by the outburst, he turned to the audience and obliged my request. “If there is time, we will have a question and answer session at the conclusion of the scheduled presentations. Please refrain from making comments until you are recognized.”</p>
<p>After a short pause he turned back to me and said, “You may continue Mr. Volynsky.”</p>
<p>I glared at Harrison. “I know only a few of you have read my works. Yet some of you have made public rebuttals. I understand some of my claims may seem a little, uh, unusual…”</p>
<p>“You mean crazy,” said Harrison.</p>
<p>“Doctor Stafford,” Goldstone started but Harrison waved him off.</p>
<p>“Time will bear out my claims. New evidence will come forth proving that the planets have not always been stable in the orbits we see today. The day will come when it will be common knowledge that Venus was once a comet on a collision course with earth.”</p>
<p>I tried to cut my lecture short but there was so much I wanted the people to hear. If only they would listen with an open mind. The fidgeting and coughs were becoming more frequent so I concluded with what I wanted them to remember more than anything else.</p>
<p>“Theories &#8211; that’s all we have. We weren’t there so we don’t know. We draw our conclusions from the same record – the geology of this earth and the records of the ancient people of this world. Don’t reject the ancient records because they don’t coincide with what we see around us now. The heavens once looked different than they do today.”</p>
<p>I sat down to a smattering of applause, anticipating the question and answer session to begin right away. I was disappointed to hear Dr. Goldstone announce that in the interest of time, the questions would have to be held until all presentations had been made.</p>
<p>Leaning over, I whispered to Cynthia, “Well, how did I do?”</p>
<p>“You were wonderful Daddy. You always are.”</p>
<p>“I can’t believe Harrison was so rude.”</p>
<p>“I don’t think he has read any of your books.”</p>
<p>We waited through three more presentations that afternoon. With each successive speaker it became clearer that this conference was not at all what I had been told. What I thought was going to be a vindication of my work was turning into a forum for attacking my theories.</p>
<p>The last speaker sat down and Mr Goldstone announced that there would be an hour break for dinner. This was preposterous. Half the audience would leave. How was I ever going to convince the scientific community what my years of research had revealed?</p>
<p>We found an open table at the hotel restaurant nearby. It was crowded and noisy. I almost had to shout so Cynthia could hear. It was so nice to have her here with me. I wish her mother were still alive to enjoy this trip to the West Coast. How I missed her.</p>
<p>“Cynthia, I think you’re right.”</p>
<p>“About what?”</p>
<p>“The biggest problem we have is that the most influential people in the field won’t read my books. If they did then we could at least have an intelligent conversation.”</p>
<p>Cynthia nodded in agreement. “From what I can tell, they have only read what Harrison has written. It’s obvious that he didn’t read more than a few pages, if any before writing that nasty review in his Science News Letter.”</p>
<p>How I appreciated that Cynthia had kept up with the controversy. I could always count on her. She didn’t dismiss me like so many others. She worked hard for her PhD, but never stopped believing in my work no matter what some of her colleagues said.</p>
<p>“Why won’t they take the time to read the sources? It’s all there in the books.”</p>
<p>“Turf wars, daddy. If you’re right then they’re all crazy. They can’t handle that.”</p>
<p>“I know I can never convince Harrison. His mind is made up. But no scientist should rely solely on what others have said without considering the evidence firsthand. That’s irresponsible.”</p>
<p>“No, it’s called keeping your job. Harrison is very powerful. If he tells them to ignore your books then they better not admit to anyone that they have looked at them.”</p>
<p>“So I’m a heretic. OK, I can accept that. But at least give me a fair hearing.”</p>
<p>Cynthia sighed. “You know I love you daddy, but I still can’t believe how naïve you are after all these years. People aren’t interested in the truth. They want things to remain the same.”</p>
<p>“But that’s the problem. Things change. Things have changed in the past and I’ve tried to give people the evidence. Things are going to change again. History repeats itself.”</p>
<p>“You know that and I know that, but you’re going to have to consider the possibility that your ideas are too radical for the scientists of our day. They will never accept your theories.”</p>
<p>“I can never believe that. I’ve got to keep trying. I know I’m right.”</p>
<p>Cynthia smiled at me. “That’s what I love about you. You never give up.”</p>
<p>“Let’s get back to the conference center. It’s time for the Q and A to begin.”</p>
<p>Copyright (c) Tim Malone, 2011</p>
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		<title>Journey to the South</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 18:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[    “I don’t like travelling,” said Jason as he rolled up his blankets. “You have to pack so much food and water and all those changes of clothes, especially for a long journey.” He wanted to complain some more but &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/journey-to-the-south/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-537" title="saturnsouthpole1" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/saturnsouthpole1-150x150.jpg" alt="saturnsouthpole1" width="150" height="150" />    “I don’t like travelling,” said Jason as he rolled up his blankets. “You have to pack so much food and water and all those changes of clothes, especially for a long journey.” He wanted to complain some more but the look on his mother’s face stopped him short. Instead he asked, “How long will we be gone this time?”<br />
    “Jason, come here. Sit on the couch next to me.” After he had done so, his mother continued. “Do you remember when father told us about this journey a few months ago?” Jason nodded his head and his mother continued. “The famine has become worse since that time. We may never be coming back to our home.”<br />
    “What?” exclaimed Jason, “Not coming back? How can this be?” This was the only home he had ever known. He felt safe here and loved living in the palace with his cousins. Yes, he had gone on some travels with father, but only to the next kingdom to trade spices for sheepskins. “Where will our journey take us?”<br />
    Mother paused a long time before responding. She stood up and had her back to him and it looked like she had tears in her eyes. “None of us are really certain, Jason. We will follow the trade routes as far as we have ever gone before and then…” she trailed off. “We will follow the directions in the sacred scrolls.”<br />
    Although Jason was only nine years old, he had heard his parents read from the sacred scrolls many times. He had even snuck them out and tried to read them a few times himself. But they were hard to understand. They seemed mysterious, and were written in a cryptic kind of language that spoke of marvelous treasures.<br />
    “So we’re going to find the long-lost treasures of the scrolls!” Jason was very excited now and finished his packing as quickly as possible. Mother was relieved and helped him tie everything into the bundles that would go on the backs of the horses. They were lucky to have them. Some of the people were walking on foot.<br />
    Being a prince was no easy job. He had to act so dignified around the palace. But now that they were on a journey, he could ride and talk with his cousins and their friends without having to worry. They had fun as they chased the animals and took little side trips to see things they had seen previously on these trails.<br />
    Sometimes they would walk to let the horses rest. There were several families all travelling together. They needed to stay close for safety once they got past all the friendly kingdoms they had been through before. At last they came to the end of the known realms and were entering into lands that were full of many surprises.<br />
    One day, they woke up and found outside their tents a very curious round ball unlike anything they had ever seen before. It was made out of metal and had a couple of pointers that showed the direction they should take on their journey. Father said it was a gift from those who had gone before. He read it in the scrolls.<br />
    They could only carry so much food and had to rely on the men to hunt and find food to eat. Sometimes writing would appear on the round ball that told them where to go to find food. The writing seemed to show up just when they were getting most hungry and tired from their travels. Somebody was guiding them.<br />
    The writing told them to go towards the mountains they had seen for many days in the distance. It started to get cold as they began to climb the mountains. Jason was glad that they had packed the sheepskin blankets to keep them warm at night. He looked up at the stars and wondered why they looked different than before.<br />
    One morning there was a strong earthquake. Nobody was hurt but it scared the animals and the little children. Jason was not afraid. He heard the men talking around the campfire the night before that they were getting closer. “Closer to what?” he wondered. Mother looked worried and talked quietly to his father.<br />
    They had been going south for so long that the sun did not come out during the day any more. After the earthquake, it seemed to Jason that he could see strange things in the sky. It was getting darker and darker each day, but when the clouds parted he saw stars going by quickly. Stars aren’t supposed to move like that.<br />
    There were more earthquakes, but still they kept on climbing the mountains. Some of the men wanted to turn back, but Jason’s father would read to them out of the scrolls and they would agree to go on. Finally they came to a spot that was not so cold and had some shelter from the wind that was close to the highest peak.<br />
    “Here we wait,” announced Jason’s father. “Wait for what?” Jason wondered. Even though his father was a king, Jason could see that some of the people were not happy with where the king had brought them. Although a few mountain goats and a nearby stream provided food and water, this seemed like no place to live.<br />
    “We won’t be here long,” Jason’s father told mother. “Tomorrow you will see why.” And he was right. The noise started before dawn. It was a vibrating noise, long and low, as if it were coming from deep down inside the planet. They could not only hear the noise, but could feel it too. It got louder and longer and deeper.<br />
    Then they saw it! There in the sky above them was what looked like the moon, only it wasn’t a moon, it was another planet. Now it made sense to Jason why it looked like the stars had been rushing by. They had been moving faster and faster until they caught up with the planet and overtook it. It was now right below them.<br />
    Of course, to Jason, it looked like it was above them. Astonished, he watched as his father went out a little ways from the camp and raised his long staff in the air that he always carried with him. Lightning jumped from the staff towards the top of the nearby mountain that then caused something wonderful to happen.<br />
    It seemed like the whole top of the mountain opened up. Something started to flow between the mountain and the planet up above. The same thing happened from the other planet and the two energy flows met and merged. The noise was deafening but Jason’s attention was riveted on what was happening to his father.<br />
    He was rising up in the air, going faster and faster until he was out of sight. Jason turned to mother but she didn’t seem frightened at all. “It was all in the scrolls,” she explained. Your father is going to the other world to tell them we are here. They have been expecting us. We will be able to follow him a little later.”<br />
    At last Jason understood what the scrolls meant. The long-lost treasure was the world above them. They had been broken off from this world so long ago that nobody believed the scrolls anymore. They talked about the many things they would find in the world above. Jason could hardly wait until he could go there.<br />
    They had come home. No wonder his father said they weren’t going to stay there in the tops of the mountains. They were all going to go to the new world. He looked up in amazement as the beauty of the world above. It looked like most of it was water, which he had only seen in books. Mother said it was called earth.</p>
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		<title>When prophets need to know</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a deep personal interest in the anticipated social response to the upcoming movie, 2012.  While it looks to be great entertainment from the fertile mind of Roland Emmerich, I am fascinated by the idea of how our society &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/when-prophets-need-to-know/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Meteor over Indonesia" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUZrEaj87kc"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-513" title="meteorjatuh" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/meteorjatuh-150x150.jpg" alt="meteorjatuh" width="150" height="150" /></a>I have a deep personal interest in the anticipated social response to the <a title="Who will survive?" href="http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com/">upcoming movie, 2012</a>.  While it looks to be great entertainment from the fertile mind of <a title="Roland Emmerich" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Emmerich">Roland Emmerich</a>, I am fascinated by the idea of how our society will react to some sort of a major catastrophic cataclysmic event like that depicted in the film.</p>
<p>I don’t go in for conspiracy theories that the government of the United States has a secret plan for the survival of the race.  I am certain that we have plans in place to ensure the <a title="Continuity of Government" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_of_government">continuity of the <em>government</em></a> in event of nuclear war or some other disaster, but the survival of the <em><strong>citizens</strong></em> of this country is a whole different matter.</p>
<p><strong>A wise investment</strong></p>
<p>As I get older, I take the idea of having a <a title="Food Storage" href="http://www.providentliving.org/channel/1,11677,1706-1,00.html">usable stockpile of food and water </a>much more seriously than when I was younger.  We have dipped into our food storage several times over the past few years as the grip of a tight economy has reached into our personal finances.  But I value my food storage for a different reason.</p>
<p>I am convinced that the day will come, in my lifetime, that we will not be able to leave our homes for extended periods of time in order to go out and buy food.  It could be due to a flu pandemic or perhaps social unrest, but I am more inclined to think that it will be from some sort of a plague that will keep us indoors for weeks.</p>
<p><strong>A prophecy of plagues</strong></p>
<p>Now there’s a word that you don’t hear thrown around much these days.  Do I mean a <a title="Black Death" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death">plague like the kind that decimated Europe</a> during the middle ages?  No.  How about a plague like the kind that caused so many deaths at the end of World War I – <a title="1918 Flu Pandemic" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic">the 1918 flu pandemic</a>?  No, I’m thinking of a different kind of plague.</p>
<p>Perhaps turning to the scriptures will bring it to a better light.  Let’s take a look at <a title="Revelations Chapter 8" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/rev/8">Revelations chapter eight</a>. There are several references to plagues contained in the next few chapters but <a title="Rev 8:7" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/rev/8/7#7">verse seven</a> describes the beginning of the plague to which I refer now.  What things fall to the earth when the first angel sounds his trumpet?</p>
<p><strong>Hail and fire and blood</strong></p>
<p>I’ve <a title="Prophets, Scholars and Burning Hail" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/prophets-scholars-and-burning-hail/">written about this previously</a>, but my interpretation of the phrase, “hail and fire mingled with blood” is this:  The hail is actually small stones or <a title="Meteorites" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorite">meteorites</a>.  The fire is a sticky, burning petroleum-like fluid found in the tail of comets. It is also known as <a title="Naphtha" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtha">naphtha</a>, a volatile and flammable liquid mixture of hydrocarbons.</p>
<p>The blood is a description of water of the earth mixed with a <a title="Red Sky" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/red-sky/">red dust</a> that is some form of <a title="Iron Oxide" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron(III)_oxide">ferric oxide</a>.  This red dust is water soluble, looks just like blood when it hits the water, and is highly toxic to life.  In addition, it is irritating to the skin and can cause a plague of microbes, insects and vermin to rapidly propagate in heat.</p>
<p><strong>Writings of Anthony Larson</strong></p>
<p>If this all sounds familiar, then you have read either the works of <a title="David Talbott" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Talbott">David Talbott</a>, <a title="Immanuel Velikovsky" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky">Immanuel Velikovsky</a> or my friend and fellow blogger, <a title="Anthony Larson" href="http://www.mormonprophecy.com">Anthony Larson</a>.  My wife and I met with Anthony last week to talk about collaborating on a book idea that has been brewing in my head over the past little while as my wife has been recovering.</p>
<p>I like Anthony because he’s a bit of a controversial figure in the church.  He has written and published five books on the subject of the events of the very last days.  His explanations of the scriptures pertaining to the last days are not the orthodox and standard answers you will find in the commentaries of today’s LDS scholars.</p>
<p><strong>The prophecy trilogy</strong></p>
<p>In fact, his writings have been denounced by scientists at our religious institutions of higher learning, such as <a title="BYU" href="http://www.byu.edu">BYU</a>.  That doesn’t deter me.  I’m grateful for the gift of agency and the fact that the Lord allows us to choose what we want to believe about the scriptures, even if they don’t jive with conventional accepted teachings.</p>
<p>Is this a dangerous approach to learning?  I don’t think so.  The Lord tells us to <a title="1 Thes 5:21" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_thes/5/21#21">prove all things</a> and hold fast to that which is good.  I have been pondering what I have read in Anthony’s books for about twenty-five years since I first read his prophecy trilogy back in the 1980’s.  I have also prayed about what he has written.</p>
<p><strong>Other inspired men</strong></p>
<p>Now that may seem a little odd, different or downright dangerous in our LDS culture.  Why would you pray about what someone has written who is not a <a title="General Authority" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/General_Authorities">general authority</a>?  Why, that’s unthinkable, preposterous even! Don’t you know that you are on the road to apostasy if you listen to someone besides an <a title="Apostle" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Apostle">apostle</a>?</p>
<p>Yes, men can be deceived and we can all point to examples throughout history where good people have been proven fools to follow after the interpretations of the scriptures by men who were not authorized to speak on behalf of the Lord.  But that brings up an interesting question that I wonder if you have ever considered.</p>
<p><strong>Some prophets are experts</strong></p>
<p>Where do prophets turn when they need to know something about which they are not experts?  For example, when our apostles want to know facts about something in the medical world, I’ll bet they consult with <a title="Russell M Nelson" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-russell-m-nelson">Russell M. Nelson</a>, another of our apostles who just happens to be a medical doctor and renowned heart surgeon.</p>
<p>When they want to know something about the interpretation of law, there are several excellent choices among <a title="Dallin H Oaks" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-dallin-h-oaks">Elder Oaks</a>, <a title="Quesnin L Cook" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-quentin-l-cook">Elder Cook</a> or <a title="D Todd Christffherson" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-d-todd-christofferson">Elder Christofferson</a>.  For nuclear physics, they turn to <a title="Richard G Scott" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-richard-g-scott">Elder Scott</a>.  For managing a university, we have <a title="Henry B Eyring" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/president-henry-b-eyring">President Eyring</a>, <a title="Dallin H Oaks" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-dallin-h-oaks">Elder Oaks</a>, <a title="Jeffrey R Holland" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-jeffrey-r-holland">Elder Holland</a> and <a title="David A Bednar" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-david-a-bednar">Elder Bednar</a>, all great educators.</p>
<p><strong>Turning to the experts</strong></p>
<p>But what do they do when they want to understand <a title="Astrophysics" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophysics">astrophysics</a>?  To whom do the Brethren turn when they need help interpreting and explaining the events that are starting to concern and even frighten more and more of the world’s population, as the end times draw to a close?  Who will help our leaders explain all these things?</p>
<p>Why, they turn to the professors of <a title="Astronomy at BYU" href="http://astronomy.byu.edu/">astronomy at BYU</a> of course.  Or, if they’re not particularly fans of that institution – gasp! – then they turn to the smaller faculty at the <a title="Astronomy at the U of U" href="http://www.physics.utah.edu/astronomy/">University of Utah</a>.  I’m sure there are a myriad of faithful LDS scientists who can provide the needed background to explain meteorites and other scary things.</p>
<p><strong>Turning to the Lord</strong></p>
<p>You may ask, “Can’t they just turn to the Lord in prayer and receive the necessary knowledge to guide the people when the catastrophes that are prophesied to happen begin to come to pass in earnest?”  Of course you know they can.  The Lord can and will “<a title="Amos 3:7" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/amos/3/7#7">do nothing but he revealeth his secret to his servants the prophets</a>.”</p>
<p>But we are taught and believe that the Lord <a title="D&amp;C 9:8" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/9/8#8">requires us to do our homework</a> before he confirms to our hearts and minds that what we have studied and determined on a given subject is correct.  The apostles are no different from you and me when it comes to the right to receive <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelation</a>, though they understand the process better.</p>
<p><strong>Experts can be wrong</strong></p>
<p>The problem with turning to the experts in Astrophysics is that the most of them do not subscribe to the views of ancient prophets on the subject of how the planets and stars behave.  Things were different back then and there is no written record of how things really were.  They prefer to use current observations for their facts.</p>
<p>Yes, the idea that the heavens have always been the way we see them now is very much in vogue even among our LDS scientists.  The idea that the planets in our solar system could have once been in a different configuration sometime within the last four thousand years even is unthinkable and has no scientific basis for proof.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>Yep, Tim’s gone off his rocker.  He is claiming that scientists are wrong.  He’s gone off the deep end and thrown his cap in with the crowd of crazies who believe in <a title="Nibiru" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision">planet X</a> and that <a title="2012 phenomenon" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon">2012 is the end of the world</a>.  No, I don’t believe that, but I do believe that Anthony Larson has made more sense of things than most scientists.</p>
<p>So until an apostle or prophet comes out and says that Anthony Larson is wrong in his interpretation of the scriptures, I have decided to join forces with him and have committed to write and publish a work of fiction based on his research.  Call me crazy but I’m looking forward to the ride.  Stay tuned for the exciting adventures.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Intelligent beings from other planets have been visiting the earth for many thousands of years.  They have been communicating with us in their own way but we haven't been tuned in to the right frequency or channels to hear. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mormon-visitors-from-outer-space/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-286" title="spiralgalaxy" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/spiralgalaxy-150x150.jpg" alt="spiralgalaxy" width="150" height="150" />I was looking for a quote today that goes something like this: “The only beings to visit our planet are those who were once inhabitants here”  (Update: Jeremy at <a title="The Seerstone" href="http://theseerstone.blogspot.com/">the Seerstone</a> provided the scripture as <a title="D&amp;C 130:5" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/130/5#5">D&amp;C 130:5</a>). My search landed me on an article in the New Era from 1971 by <a title="Kent Nielsen" href="http://humanities.byu.edu/philosophy/fac_Emeriti.htm#frednielsen">Kent Nielsen</a>.  Like <a title="Truman Madsen" href="http://www.trumanmadsen.com/">Truman Madsen</a> who just passed away, Dr. Nielsen is an emeritus professor of philosophy from BYU.  The article is entitled, “<a title="People on other worlds" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=0b5f630f0869b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1">People on other worlds</a>,” and is still fascinating although it was written almost forty years ago.</p>
<p>After a brief review of the basic cosmological configuration of our planetary neighbors, we are introduced to the simple math calculations used to deduce that <a title="Walter Sullivan" href="http://www.amazon.com/Are-Not-Alone-Extraterrestrial-Intelligence/dp/0452272246">we are not alone</a> in our universe.  There are uncountable billions and billions of stars and galaxies throughout space.  If only one star in a million should have inhabitable planets, that would give us over 100,000 systems in <a title="Milky Way" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milky_Way">our galaxy</a> alone.  Galaxies like ours exist in the billions.  We are not the only life in this universe.</p>
<p><strong>People on other worlds</strong></p>
<p>Even with the advances of science in discovering <a title="Exoplanets" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasolar_planet">planets around other suns</a> that conceivably could harbor conditions favorable to human life, we simply have no way of knowing that there are any people out there besides us.  Or do we?  <a title="Latter-day Saints" href="http://www.lds.org">Latter-day Saints</a> have known for over 170 years about the existence of people on other worlds.  In fact, we also know that people from other worlds visit the earth and have been doing so for many years to deliver important messages.</p>
<p>Can you imagine the impact it would have upon civilization if our scientists announced that they have detected an approaching spacecraft from outer space?  How would we be prepared for the visit of extra-terrestrial beings?  I suspect that Latter-day Saints would take it all in stride.  After all, we claim to have been the recipients of such visits for a long time.  No, the visitors did not require the use of a spacecraft to reach our planet.  Their method of travel is currently beyond us.</p>
<p><strong>Prophets taught of other worlds</strong></p>
<p>Brigham Young said, “…there never was a time when there were not Gods and worlds, and men were not passing through the same ordeals that we are now passing through. That course has been from all eternity, and it is and will be to all eternity.”  The Apostle Paul knew that God had created other worlds.  <a title="Hebrews 1:2" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/heb/1/2#2">He wrote</a>, “God&#8230;hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son&#8230;by whom also he made the worlds.”  Moses and Enoch revealed more in the Pearl of Great Price:</p>
<p>The Lord <a title="Moses 1:37-38" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/1/37-38#37">said to Moses</a>, “The heavens, they are many, and they cannot be numbered unto man; but they are numbered unto me, for they are mine. And as one earth shall pass away, and the heavens thereof even so shall another come; and there is no end to my works.”  <a title="Moses 7:30" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/7/30#30">Enoch said</a>, “And were it possible that man could number the particles of the earth, yea, millions of earths like this, it would not be a beginning to the number of thy creations…”  Joseph Smith’s witness is similar.</p>
<p><strong>God created countless worlds</strong></p>
<p>“And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives! For we saw him, even on the right hand of God; and we heard the voice bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father— That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God.”  What an <a title="D&amp;C 76:22-24" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/76/22-24#22">amazing testimony</a>!  But wait, there’s more.</p>
<p>The Prophet <a title="King Follett sermon" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=1a79945bd384b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1">Joseph Smith taught</a>: “God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man. … he was once a man like us … God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth. …If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and … God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. … And where was there ever a father without first being a son? … If Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also?”  Now that is deep doctrine!</p>
<p><strong>Purpose of all these worlds</strong></p>
<p>We don’t seem to talk much about this doctrine any more – that God was once a man as we are now.  We tend to focus more on the idea that man can become like God.  We are not alone in this teaching as it gives hope and motivation to many people besides Latter-day Saints who believe it.  But the idea that God was once like us and passed through a period of mortality and testing is a bit much for some people to accept.  President Hinckley even downplayed it in <a title="Pres Hinckley on Larry King" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/?p=104">a news interview</a>.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, as far as I know, it remains a basic fundamental doctrine of our church that helps to explain the purpose of life and all the potential inhabitable worlds that have been created.  The worlds were created specifically to provide a home on which the posterity of the Gods could be tested and proven.  Yes, we believe in multiple Gods, but limit our worship to our own Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ his son.  We just do not teach about other Gods in our curriculum today.</p>
<p><strong>Believed but not taught</strong></p>
<p>I have often wondered about this unique way we have of doing things in our church.  There are many things which we believe and are written about in historical sermons of former priesthood leaders.  And yet, we do not include them in what we teach to investigators, new members, or even long-time members for that matter.  However, just like the idea of a mother in heaven we do occasionally sing about our distinctive beliefs.  <a title="If you could hie to Kolob" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=e1fa5f74db46c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=3fa8723ffec20110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1">A favorite hymn </a>contains these words:</p>
<p>“If you could hie to Kolob<br />
In the twinkling of an eye,<br />
And then continue onward<br />
With that same speed to fly,<br />
D’ye think that you could ever,<br />
Through all eternity,<br />
Find out the generation<br />
Where Gods began to be?”</p>
<p><strong>We are Gods in embryo</strong></p>
<p>We are of the race of Gods.  We are of his species.  God looks likes us.  We look like him.  He has two arms, two legs and a head with two eyes, two ears, a nose and a mouth.  As Jesus <a title="John 14:9" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/14/9#9">said</a>, “If ye have seen me, ye have seen the Father.”  We are his sons and daughters and he loves us.  The people who populate the other worlds out there are also his sons and daughters and look just like you and me.  There are no green, bug-eyed monsters.  They are also of the race of Gods.</p>
<p>The people who are out there are in different stages of their existence.  Like us, some are passing through a temporal period.  Others are living in worlds that have been celestialized and yet others inhabit a lower kingdom of glory.  This process of living and dying and being resurrected has been going on forever.  I can’t fathom that with my limited mortal brain but I know it is true.  You and I are a part of that process of seeking to be like God and to inherit a glorious exaltation.</p>
<p><strong>Space travel to the earth</strong></p>
<p>Could a person from outer space ever come to visit the earth?  Any Latter-day Saint knows the answer.  Of course, visitors from outer space can come to earth!  They’ve been doing it for many thousands of years.  God and angels visited Adam.  They visited prophets in the Old Testament and Apostles in the New Testament.  The Book of Mormon has numerous accounts of angelic visitations and of the <a title="3rd Nephi 11" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/3_ne/11">visit of Jesus Christ</a> to the ancient American people.  It is quite common!</p>
<p>In the spring of 1820, God the Father and his Son Jesus Christ <a title="First Vision" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Vision">visited the boy prophet</a> Joseph Smith in upstate New York.  Angels came to deliver <a title="Section 110" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/110">keys of the priesthood</a>to Joseph and Oliver in the Kirtland temple in 1836.  In our temporal existence we may not be able to travel to worlds beyond out own solar system but other beings in advanced phases of existence are not so limited.  When <a title="Conduit into heaven" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/43#43">Moroni appeared to Joseph</a>, he saw “a conduit open right up into heaven.”  Awesome!</p>
<p><strong>Communication from space</strong></p>
<p>Scientists have been listening for communication from space for years but they have yet to hear anything to indicate intelligent life.  On the other hand, Latter-day Saints are very familiar with the process of receiving messages from outer space, transmitted by means that transcend beyond the normal method of communication.  This is more than a future possibility.  It is a present fact!  Beings from outer space have been making great efforts to communicate with us every day.</p>
<p>They have been sending messages that are filled with wisdom and great intelligence.  These are messages that come from superior beings, who have evolved way beyond our limited mortal capacities to think and to understand. They live in dimensions that we cannot begin to fathom.  But they are willing to share with us knowledge that will transform our lives if we will just listen and apply what they say.  Their intelligence is far beyond ours and yet is beneficent and kind.</p>
<p><strong>They are coming to visit us</strong></p>
<p>What’s even more astounding to realize is that these same intelligent beings will be visiting us very soon.  The <a title="Millennium" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Millennium">millennium</a> is simply a period of time when earthly civilization will be brought under the government of superior beings from another world who will visit earth frequently to direct our affairs.  “Christ and the resurrected Saints will reign over the earth during the thousand year period.  They will not probably dwell upon the earth but will visit it when they please…”</p>
<p>But these beings who come from outer space, or another world, will not be aliens.  They will be our brethren, who have lived upon this earth in mortality.  What’s more, we expect a return of portions of this earth that have been broken off in times past when cataclysmic events sheared off that portion of the earth on which they resided.  First the <a title="Ten Tribes" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/?p=82">Ten Tribes</a>, then the <a title="City of Enoch" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/?p=81">City of Enoch</a> and last the portion that contains the <a title="Garden of Eden" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Adam-ondi-Ahman">Garden of Eden</a>.  Don’t believe it?  Look it up in our history!</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>The earth has received many visitors from outer space over the years.  They do not come in spaceships and they do not wear spacesuits.  They come from a plane of existence that we can only dream about and not yet comprehend.  These are intelligent and magnificent beings that are glorified and exalted in their appearance and in their character.  They love us.  We are their children and their brethren.  They have come to bring us messages of great joy if we but listen.</p>
<p>Visions of angels and Gods from other worlds are not something that I have experienced but I know such things have occurred.  The influence of these beneficent beings fills the immensity of space and dwells here among us.  These Gods have given us gifts that help us communicate with them.  One of these gifts is the gift of the Holy Ghost.  It is real and is the means by which God reveals truth to the mind and heart of man.  Of this I and millions of others are unique witnesses.</p>
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