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		<title>Divine manifestations must have a purpose</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the delightful parts of a stake temple night is the opportunity to be taught by a member of the temple presidency.  I once asked my stake president about divine manifastations in the temple. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/divine-manifestations-must-have-a-purpose/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-436" title="elijahkey" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/elijahkey-150x150.jpg" alt="elijahkey" width="150" height="150" />One of the delightful parts of a <a title="Stake" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake">stake</a> <a title="Mormon Temples" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_Temples">temple</a> night is the opportunity to be taught by a member of the <a title="Temple President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Temple_President">temple presidency</a>.  On one particular occasion many years ago, the Temple President felt inspired to relate a few stories that patrons had shared with him about <a title="Manifestations" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/tg/m/34">spiritual manifestations</a> that they had received while serving in the <a title="Los Angeles" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Los_Angeles_California_Temple">LA temple</a>.  It was an uplifting and edifying session.</p>
<p>I was very impressed with what the Temple President spoke about that evening.  He related some very sacred experiences of visits from the other side of <a title="Veil" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gs/v/2">the veil</a> from deceased family members for whom the <a title="Temple Ordinances" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Temple_Ordinances">work</a> was being done.  He gave specific examples of what people saw, heard or felt that was evidence to them of the validity of this work and that it is accepted by their relatives.</p>
<p><strong>A conversation with my Stake President</strong></p>
<p>While preparing to leave the temple that evening, I conversed with my <a title="Stake President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake_President">Stake President</a> about the things the Temple President had taught us in our chapel session.  I had served with this Stake President for several years on the <a title="High Council" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/High_Council">High Council</a> and felt comfortable sharing heartfelt concerns.  I knew that he would carefully consider what I had to say before answering with thoughtfulness.</p>
<p>“President”, I said, “I’ve been coming to this temple <a title="My experience with the temple" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/my-experience-with-the-temple/">since I was twelve years old</a>.  In fact, I was six years old when I was sealed here to my parents.  I have <a title="Blessings of the Temple" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-blessings-of-the-lds-temple/">many sacred memories</a> of this place.  I was <a title="Temple endowment" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Temple_endowment">endowed</a> here when I was nineteen and married to my sweetheart not too many years after completing <a title="Teach and testify" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-teaching-and-testifying-missionary/">my mission</a>.  I have participated in several thousand <a title="Ordinances" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ordinances">ordinances</a> here in this temple.</p>
<p><strong>Sacred temple manifestations</strong></p>
<p>“So why is it that I have never experienced any of these kinds of sacred manifestations that the temple president described?”  As I expected, he thought for a few minutes while we continued to change back into our street clothes after the evening’s temple work was completed.  After a moment, he paused, put his hand on my shoulder and then responded very slowly and carefully.</p>
<p>“Brother Malone, some people do not require manifestations to be faithful.  The Lord knows their hearts and knows what they need.  You apparently do not need any additional evidence that the work being performed in these temples is valid and acceptable to both the Lord and to those for whom it is performed.  Your years of faithfulness are proof that you know the work is true.”</p>
<p><strong>The Lord bears witness</strong></p>
<p>He was right, of course.  I didn’t need a manifestation to know that the work being done in the <a title="Temples" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Temples">temples</a> is of eternal significance and validity.  I had known that since I was a child and had never doubted it.  I thought about his response and realized that there was never an occasion when I attended the temple that I didn’t feel the warmth and comfort of <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Holy_Ghost">the spirit of the Lord.</a></p>
<p>It was just another piece of evidence to me that the Spirit of the Lord is always present when <a title="Ordinances" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Ordinances">priesthood ordinances</a> are performed, especially in <a title="House of the Lord" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?index=20&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=b1747c2fc20b8010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">the House of the Lord</a>.  I didn’t need any additional evidence because I had the <a title="Gift of the Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gift_of_the_Holy_Ghost">constant companionship</a> of the Lord each time I sat in an endowment session or knelt across the <a title="Inside a Mormon Temple" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Inside_Mormon_Temples">altar in a sealing</a> session.  Yes, I knew the work was true.</p>
<p><strong>To uplift and edify</strong></p>
<p>I have the same kind of experience each week when I attend <a title="Sacrament meeting" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Sacrament_Meeting">Sacrament meeting</a>, and especially in a <a title="Testimony meeting" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Fast_and_Testimony_Meeting">testimony meeting</a>.  There is just something special about attending church each week and partaking of the <a title="Sacrament" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Sacrament">Sacrament</a>.  I just feel different by the end of the meeting.  I feel happy and feel that my burdens have been lifted.  It never fails.  I feel this strengthening each week after church.</p>
<p>This uplifting feeling is always the same whether I am conducting the meeting as a member of the <a title="Bishopric" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Bishopric">Bishopric</a>, or just sitting in the congregation as a regular member of the ward.  I love to hear members of my ward teach the gospel from the pulpit and share their feelings about the truth of what they have learned and have taught.  Sacrament meeting is always uplifting and edifying.</p>
<p><strong>Testimony meetings</strong></p>
<p>Last Sunday I sat in our monthly ward testimony meeting and thought about the different kinds of <a title="Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">testimonies</a> I was hearing.  The Bishop was short and succinct.  He bore witness of the <a title="Elder Oaks on Testimony" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=8502558fcc599110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">five basic points</a> of an LDS testimony and then sat down, inviting others to share their testimonies.  I got up and rambled a little bit about testimonies and then bore witness of the same five points.</p>
<p>As we progressed through the meeting, I noted that some members talked about experiences that demonstrated to them that the Lord knew them personally and that he hears and answers their <a title="Prayer" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Prayer">prayers</a>.  Others spoke about the <a title="Trials" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Trials">trials</a> through which they were passing and then concluded with assertions that they knew the Lord loved them would not leave them comfortless in their trials.</p>
<p><strong>When we say “I know”</strong></p>
<p>I listened very closely to each testimony waiting for the phrases “I know” and “I believe.”  I think I heard “I believe” maybe once or twice.  “I know” was used by the majority of those who shared their testimonies.  I know these people and know that when they say that they know that the church is true, and that the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a> is the word of God, they mean it sincerely.</p>
<p>I was listening closely because of <a title="There is no middle ground" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/there-is-no-middle-ground/">recent conversation</a> with readers of my blog about testimonies and what it means to say <a title="Only true and living church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">the church is true</a>.  I now try to qualify what I mean when I say that by adding some additional phrases like, “because <a title="Angels" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Angels">angels</a> conferred <a title="Keys of the Priesthood" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Keys_of_the_Priesthood">priesthood keys</a> upon the Prophet <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_Smith">Joseph Smith</a>,” and “because angels <a title="Ordination to the Priesthood" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Ordination_to_the_Priesthood">ordained</a> Joseph Smith and gave him priesthood authority.”</p>
<p><strong>Authority and the true church</strong></p>
<p>You see, this <a title="Authority" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Authority">authority</a> thing is very important to me.  I’ve had a lot of dialogs with visitors to Latter-day Commentary about this very important subject.  I’ve tried to share with them that the idea of priesthood authority is one of the most important aspects of a church that claims to be the true church of Jesus Christ.  Ordinances of <a title="Salvation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Salvation">salvation</a> require God’s authority to perform them.</p>
<p>That’s all we really mean when we say that we are the true church.  We are simply saying that angels came from the <a title="Spirit world" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Spirit_World">spirit world</a> and gave Joseph Smith divine permission to do what he did in establishing the Church of Jesus Christ upon the earth again in these latter days.  Of course, the idea that angels have visited man in our day is a very difficult thing for some people to accept.</p>
<p><strong>Angels, visions and revelation</strong></p>
<p>I have never seen an angel.  I have had no divine <a title="Visions" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Visions">vision</a> with my natural eyes.  I have never heard an audible voice from the spirit world. Yet I have never questioned that <a title="First Vision" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/First_Vision">Joseph Smith saw God</a>, was visited by <a title="Moroni" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Moroni">angels</a>, <a title="Doctrine and Covenants" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Doctrine_and_Covenants">received revelations</a> and brought forth the Book of Mormon by the <a title="D&amp;C 1:29" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/1/29#29">gift and power of God</a>.  Some of my readers find it fantastic that I can believe Joseph was a <a title="Mormon prophet" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_prophet">prophet</a>.</p>
<p>How is this possible?  On what basis do I stand and say “I know that God lives, that Jesus is the Christ, that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, that Joseph was a prophet and that this is the true church of Jesus Christ with a prophet at the head today?”  If I have not seen God or Jesus, and was not there when Joseph brought forth the Book or Mormon, <a title="What do Mormon's believe" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/What_do_Mormons_believe">how am I a witness</a>?</p>
<p><strong>Divine manifestations must have a purpose</strong></p>
<p>In all my years in this church, I don’t think I have ever met anyone who said to me, “Yes, I saw God.  He visited me and told me…”  I have never had someone say to me, “I was praying very earnestly one night and the Lord appeared to me to tell me that he loved me and that my sins were forgiven.”  I have also never heard anyone relate to me that they were visited by an angel.</p>
<p>Now perhaps you know people who have received such manifestations or maybe you have been the recipient of angelic visitations.  I think that’s wonderful.  I assume the visits had a purpose.  I guess I’ve never felt the need for divine manifestations beyond what I <a title="While at Rick's College" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-different-kind-of-religious-education/">have already received</a> when I was young as I prayed to know that the Book of Mormon was indeed the word of God.</p>
<p><strong>We live far beneath our privileges</strong></p>
<p>When I was seventeen I was extremely motivated to obtain a manifestation from God about my standing before him and to know if the Book of Mormon was what Joseph said it was.  I obtained both of those witnesses and <a title="Answered prayers before Mission" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-call-for-more-personal-revelation/">a few more</a> that the Lord felt were needed in order to help me fulfill my purpose in life.  I’ve been coasting on those manifestations for the past thirty-five years.</p>
<p>I’m wondering if I’ve been coasting too long.  Our former stake president, now serving as a mission president, often repeated this from <a title="Brigham Young" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Brigham_Young">Brigham Young</a>.  He said, “[We] may have the Spirit of the Lord to . . . direct [us]. . . . I am satisfied, however, that, in this respect, <a title="From Discourses of Brigham Young" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=71719c84f5d6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">we live far beneath our privileges</a>.&#8221;  Is there more the Lord wants us to have besides what he has already given us?</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>The Lord reveals himself to man when he has a purpose or a mission for them to perform.  He sends angels to instruct man and teach him about the work that he wants performed.  He sends his spirit to assure men and women that the work in which they are engaged is divine.  He gives <a title="Gifts of he spirit" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Gifts_of_the_Spirit">gifts of the spirit</a> to help us do his work.  For Joseph, one needed gift was the <a title="Gift of translation" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/5/4,30#4">power to translate</a>.</p>
<p>When I needed to know that the church and the Book of Mormon were of divine origin, the Lord sent his spirit and confirmed these things in my heart and mind.  Over the years, that same spirit has encouraged and motivated me to ever increasing faithfulness and obedience.  Is the Lord willing to provide additional manifestations, and if so, what is the purpose they would serve?</p>
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		<title>Shades of Grey and relative truth</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 1978, civil war broke out in Nicaragua, just after I left the country. My Mission President went from Costa Rica to Managua to help the missionaries get out of the country.  As he was literally leaving the chapel where he &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/shades_of_grey/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="President Muren Family" href="http://www.3tcm.net/PresMurenFamily.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-411" title="presmurenfamily" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/presmurenfamily-150x150.jpg" alt="presmurenfamily" width="150" height="150" /></a>In 1978, civil war broke out in <a title="Nicaragua" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua">Nicaragua</a>, just after I left the country. My <a title="Mission President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mission_President">Mission President</a> went from Costa Rica to Managua to help the missionaries get out of the country.  As he was literally leaving the <a title="Chapel" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Chapel">chapel</a> where he had told the missionaries to gather, the <a title="Sandinistas" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista">Sandinistas</a> came running in from the other door and stopped them.</p>
<p>Demanding to know what side of the conflict they were on, <a title="Joseph C. Muren" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Muren">President Muren</a> responded with the phrase, &#8220;tonos de gris,&#8221; which means shades of grey.  He did not stop but kept going right out the door and was able to get that group of Elders out of the country.  Gratefully, all the <a title="Missionaries" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Missionaries">missionaries</a> eventually made it safely out.</p>
<p><strong>Social or Cultural Mormons</strong></p>
<p>Can a person be a member of the <a title="Mormon" href="http://www.mormon.org">LDS faith</a> and not believe some of the <a title="Doctrine" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Doctrine">doctrine</a> or accept the <a title="Church History" href="http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/history">official story</a> of the <a title="Mormon History" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_history">history</a>?  Absolutely!  We call them social or <a title="Cultural Mormons" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Mormon">cultural Mormons</a> and there are countless numbers of them within the church.  Many of these kinds of members come from multi-generation <a title="Mormon Pioneers" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_Pioneers">pioneer</a> LDS families.</p>
<p>If you survey an average <a title="Mormon meetings" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_meetings">congregation</a> in the LDS faith, you will find that there are a surprising number who just don’t care about some of the doctrine and care even less about the history.  They are there because it is their family tradition and they derive satisfaction from the social interaction among good people that they know.</p>
<p><strong>Looking for the middle ground</strong></p>
<p>They feel uncomfortable when they hear <a title="Loyalty" href="http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-353-21,00.html">statements</a> from their leaders that the <a title="LDS Church" href="http://www.lds.org">LDS church</a> is either the <a title="Kingdom of God" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Kingdom_of_God">kingdom of God</a> or it is nothing.  When someone says that <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_Smith">Joseph Smith</a> was either God’s <a title="Mormon Prophet" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Prophet">prophet</a> or he was a great fraud, they feel unfairly pressured to have to put their view of the man in such black and white terms.</p>
<p>Isn’t there some <a title="There is no middle ground" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/there-is-no-middle-ground/">middle ground</a> where good people can participate in the Mormon faith without having to take sides about Joseph Smith, the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a>, the idea of <a title="Angels" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Angels">angels</a> visiting Joseph and the concept of <a title="Priesthood Keys" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Keys_of_the_Priesthood">priesthood keys</a> and <a title="Authority" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Authority">authority</a>?  There is so much good in the church.  Why does it have to be classified as <a title="True and Living Church" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/True_and_Living_Church">true</a>?</p>
<p><strong>The American Mormon culture</strong></p>
<p>There are many members of the LDS church who do not fit the stereotypical image of <a title="US Conservatism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States">conservative</a>, <a title="Orthodoxy" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy">orthodox</a>, <a title="Republican" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)">Republican</a>, <a title="White Collar" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-collar_worker">white-collar</a>, <a title="All American" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-American_(disambiguation)">all-American</a> family.  The church membership is actually quite diverse, especially as one travels outside the confines of the <a title="Intermountain West" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermountain_West">Intermountain West</a> where the church flourished and is the strongest.</p>
<p>Culturally, as a church and a people, we seem to have become stagnated in the mindset of the <a title="19th Century" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_Century">19th century</a> view of <a title="Mormonism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism">Mormonism</a> that still conflicts with the outside world.  The church is growing beyond the <a title="Mormon corridor" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Corridor">Mormon corridor</a> but is experiencing a sort of consolidation in the traditional strongholds of the faith – the center of <a title="Zion" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Zion">Zion</a>.</p>
<p><strong>The one true church</strong></p>
<p>Many good people who recognize this cultural myopia and <a title="Parochialism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parochialism">parochialism</a> that exists within the LDS faith have expanded their views and horizons beyond the <a title="Mores" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mores">mores</a> and restraints of the traditional, orthodox Mormon <a title="Worldview" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldview">worldview</a>.  There are so many good people out there that are doing great things to serve their local communities.</p>
<p>Because these <a title="Progressive Christianity" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Christianity">progressive</a> thinking people have expanded their views they have come in contact with different ways of thinking about the <a title="Religious Experience" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_experience">religious experience</a> and about their own Mormon upbringing.  The idea of belonging to <a title="One true church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">the one true church</a> has come to be offensive and difficult, if not impossible to defend in their minds.</p>
<p><strong>God’s chosen people</strong></p>
<p>They see and are embarrassed by what appears to be a contest of <a title="Right and wrong" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=4bd89209df38b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">right and wrong</a> between our zeal as <a title="Every member a missionary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Every_Member_a_Missionary">a missionary church</a> and the good people who are not already a part of the elect kingdom of God.  Whereas previously they were uncomfortable with a perceived <a title="Exclusivism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusivism">exclusivist</a> approach, they now are adamant that we are wrong.</p>
<p>We are <a title="Judgemental" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=2d0584d4a0a0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">judgmental</a>, they cry.  Why can’t we accept everybody else just the way they are?  Why are we trying to <a title="Convert" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Convert">convert</a> people when they are already happy and doing much good in their own faith?  The idea of rules for membership becomes chafing.  Why does the church have such high <a title="Standards of strength" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=347e7264d3b9c110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">standards</a> that drive people crazy?</p>
<p><strong>Pointing out the flaws and faults</strong></p>
<p>A large percentage of the LDS membership either does not know or does not care about some of the <a title="Troubling issues" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/general-authority-training-advanced-subjects/">troubling issues</a> of our early history and growth as a church.  It is frustrating to progressive thinkers that so many within the faith are not as well versed as they are on these issues and the supposed quandaries that they present.</p>
<p>So they become more vocal and <a title="Strident" href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/strident?rdfrom=Strident">strident</a> in pointing out the flaws and faults of the church and its leaders, both historical and current.  Their frustration increases when their audience either shrugs its collective shoulders or ignores their efforts to educate them on the problems that they see in the church.  How can they not care?</p>
<p><strong>Many faithful members do know</strong></p>
<p>While there are many who don’t know and don’t care, there are just as many who are very knowledgeable in the issues and problems that are troublesome to our <a title="Liberalism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism">liberal minded</a> members.  It’s just that we have found answers within our own hearts and minds many years ago that satisfy the potential <a title="Cognitive dissonance" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance">cognitive dissonance</a>.</p>
<p>We quietly go about our lives, secure and confident in the knowledge that we have found answers for the most important elements of our faith.  We invite others to taste of the peace that comes from knowing that there are answers and that there are many solid and bedrock truths upon which we can build our lives and our faith.</p>
<p><strong>Raise a warning voice</strong></p>
<p>For some reason, when we try to share our <a title="Certainty" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certainty">certainty</a> about the truths we have found, we are sometimes misunderstood to be <a title="Arrogance or hubris" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris">arrogant</a> or presenting our faith as superior or more complete than theirs.  Yes, if you invite someone to share in your happiness then you are presenting what you have found to be of great worth.</p>
<p>This is a difficult task to perform.  We are commanded to <a title="Declare the truth" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/75/1-5#1">raise our voices</a> to let the world know of the events pertaining to <a title="Church history chronology" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/chchrono/contents">the founding of our church</a>.  We have been asked to <a title="Warn your neighbor" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/88/81#81">be bold</a> in declaring that God has called <a title="Prophets" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Prophet">prophets</a> in our day and that he has sent <a title="Angels" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Angels">angels</a> to ordain and teach truths that have long been lost from the world.</p>
<p><strong>Some truths are not relative</strong></p>
<p>And thus we arrive at the heart of the conflict between orthodox conservative Mormons and progressive liberal Mormons.  What is <a title="Truth" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Truth">truth</a>?  Can one say with any degree of certainty that they have found the best and most complete source of truth without excluding the many other sources of truth that are found in the world?</p>
<p>Truth is reality. Some kinds of truth can only be received through <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelation</a>. I have never seen God or Jesus. I was not there when Joseph received the <a title="First Vision" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/First_Vision">First Vision</a>. So for me to be able to know those facts, they have to be revealed to me by the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a>.  Some truths are either <a title="Mystery of Godliness" href="http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6946">revealed of God</a> or they <a title="McConkie - relationship with God" href="http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843">remain unknown</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Truths received by revelation</strong></p>
<p>The five pillars of the <a title="LDS Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">LDS testimony</a> require revelation: God lives, Jesus is the Christ, the Savior called Joseph as a prophet, the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a> was brought forth by the <a title="Joseph has done more..." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/135/3#3">gift and power of God</a> and the church that Joseph established is authorized of God to administer the <a title="Ordinances" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ordinances">ordinances of salvation</a> that God requires.</p>
<p>Without <a title="Revelation" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Revelation">revelation</a> from the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a> we can’t say that we know these things. It’s just not logical. I have studied the Book of Mormon and the Church that claims to be God’s only church authorized to administer the ordinances of salvation. With revelation from the Holy Ghost I can say I know they are what they claim to be.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>In some things in life, it is wise to take a position characterized by my Mission President’s <a title="Missionaries and Sandinistas" href="http://www.3tcm.net/CivilWar.htm">response to the Sandinistas</a> – shades of grey.  We do not always know all the facts of some situations and should withhold judgment until a later time.  However, in some critical matters, we must take a position and know for ourselves.</p>
<p>It takes work and determination to obtain knowledge about the five pillars of an LDS <a title="Testimony" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Testimony">testimony</a>.  But I, and millions of others over the years, can say with great certainty that God does reveal knowledge about himself and his prophets to those who diligently seek it.  This revealed knowledge does not come in shades of grey.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the priesthood session of the April 2003 General Conference, President Hinckley delivered a landmark address on the subject of loyalty.   In his remarks he said, “Each of us has to face the truth of the matter—either the church is &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/there-is-no-middle-ground/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-398" title="preshinckley" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/preshinckley-150x150.jpg" alt="preshinckley" width="150" height="150" />In the <a title="Priesthood" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Priesthood">priesthood</a> session of the <a title="April 2003 General Conference" href="http://lds.org/conference/sessions/display/0,5239,23-1-353,00.html">April 2003</a> <a title="General Conference" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/General_Conference">General Conference</a>, <a title="President Hinckley" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gordon_B._Hinckley">President Hinckley</a> delivered a landmark address on the subject of <a title="Loyalty" href="http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-353-21,00.html">loyalty</a>.   In his remarks he said, “Each of us has to face the truth of the matter—either the church is true, or it is a fraud.  <strong><em>There is no middle ground</em></strong>.  It is the Church and <a title="Kingdom of God" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Kingdom_of_God">kingdom of God</a> or it is nothing.”</p>
<p>An earlier prophet, <a title="Joseph Fielding Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_Fielding_Smith">Joseph Fielding Smith</a> wrote something similar in the <a title="Doctrines of Salvation" href="http://deseretbook.com/store/product/5020291">Doctrines of Salvation:</a> “<a title="Mormonism" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormonism">Mormonism</a>, as it is called, must stand on the story of <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_Smith">Joseph Smith</a>.  He was either a <a title="Mormon Prophet" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Prophet">prophet of God</a>, divinely called, properly appointed and commissioned, or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen.  <strong><em>There is no middle ground</em></strong>.”</p>
<p><strong>There can be no gray area</strong></p>
<p>Referring to the historical events of the area around <a title="Palmyra" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Palmyra">Palmyra</a>, New York, President Hinckley said: “They either happened or they did not. There can be no gray area, <strong><em>no middle ground</em></strong>.”   In a similar manner, Apostle <a title="Joseph B Wirthlin" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_B._Wirthlin">Joseph B. Wirthlin</a> said, “Joseph Smith must be accepted either as a prophet of God or else as a charlatan of the first order.”</p>
<p><a title="President Benson" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ezra_Taft_Benson">President Benson</a> endorsed this all or nothing view.  He said, “Just as the arch crumbles if the keystone is removed, so does all the Church stand or fall with the truthfulness of the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a>…if it can be discredited, the Prophet Joseph Smith goes with it. So does our claim to <a title="Priesthood Keys" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Keys_of_the_Priesthood">priesthood keys</a>, and <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelation</a>, and the <a title="Restoration" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Restoration">restored Church</a>.”</p>
<p><strong>They were all wrong</strong></p>
<p>Such black and white statements go all the way back to the beginnings of the <a title="LDS Church" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints">LDS church</a>.  When the prophet Joseph asked God <a title="JS-H 1:18-19" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/18-19#18">which church he should join</a>, he “was answered that I must join none of them, for <strong><em>they were all wrong</em></strong>.”  If all the churches of Joseph’s day were wrong, what does that say about the numerous churches of our day?</p>
<p>The Lord later said to Joseph in <a title="D&amp;C 1:29-30" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/1/29-30#29">Section one</a> of the <a title="Doctrine and Covenants" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Doctrine_and_Covenants">Doctrine and Covenants</a> that the church Joseph organized was “the <strong><em>only true and living church</em></strong> upon the face of the whole earth.”  If you look, you can find dozens of similar statements by prophets and apostles throughout the history of our church, all very bold in their declarations.</p>
<p><strong>Divisive and exclusivist</strong></p>
<p>Of course, statements like these are labeled divisive and exclusivist by many people outside our church, but also, increasingly by members on the fringe of the church, also known as the <a title="DAMU" href="http://mormonism.suite101.com/article.cfm/disaffected_mormon_underground">disaffected Mormon underground</a>.  The DAMU is nothing new.  There have been <a title="Cultural Mormon" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Mormon">cultural Mormons</a> and <a title="Jack Mormon" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Mormon">Jack Mormons</a> throughout the history of our church.</p>
<p>Of all the objections to the church that I have encountered over the past few years I have been blogging, this one seems to be the most common and the most offensive.  For some, it is an extremely difficult proposition to accept this black or white, all or nothing approach to <a title="Truth in Religion" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Truth">truth in religion</a>.  I have spent considerable time pondering why this is so.</p>
<p><strong>Good and truth in all religions</strong></p>
<p>Joseph Smith taught that we accept truth from whatever source it may come.  <a title="Joseph F. Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_F._Smith">Joseph F. Smith</a> said, “We are willing to <a title="Gospel Doctrine, p.1" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=66a205481ae6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">receive all truth, from whatever source</a> it may come; for truth will stand, truth will endure…”  Modern prophets have said that there is much good and truth in all churches and religions.  This statement doesn’t seem too limiting.</p>
<p>President Hinckley: “We recognize the <a title="Good in all churches" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=c069dbdcc370c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">good in all churches</a>. We recognize the value of religion generally. We say to everyone: live the teachings which you have received from your church. We invite you to come and learn from us, to see if we can <em><strong>add to those teachings</strong></em> and enhance your life and your understanding of things sacred and divine.”</p>
<p><strong>Something unique to add</strong></p>
<p>What can the LDS faith add that is unique and will bless the lives of those who accept its teachings?  The most unique thing we offer can be found in the <a title="Mormon temples" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_Temples">temples</a>.  It is the <a title="Sealing Power" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Sealing#Sealing_Power">sealing power</a> that is exercised to unite families in an eternal bond that will remain in effect after this life is over.  That is an amazing claim that no other church can make.</p>
<p>We teach that the sealing power is a part of the <a title="Priesthood Authority" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Priesthood_Authority">priesthood authority</a> that we claim was delivered to Joseph Smith via angelic messengers.  I don’t know of any other church that asserts that <a title="Angels" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Angels">angels</a> have come and ordained their leaders or conferred upon them <a title="Section 110" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/110">keys and powers</a> that will <a title="Matt 16:19" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/16/19#19">bind on earth and in heaven</a>.  That is a fantastic declaration!</p>
<p><strong>Our eternal nature</strong></p>
<p>The older I get, the more important that claim becomes to me.  If I know nothing else, I know that there is a <a title="Spirit body" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Spirit_Body">spiritual side</a> of my existence.  I have had too many experiences of a spiritual nature that have helped me to understand this truth.  Others may claim that there is nothing more to man than skin, muscle and bones, but I believe differently.</p>
<p>Because of that very basic and core fundamental belief about myself, I am concerned about what my <a title="Purpose of life" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Purpose_of_Life">purpose is in life</a> and <a title="Spirit world" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Spirit_World">what happens after death</a>.  I am so grateful to be a part of a community of faith, a church that believes as I do that life is eternal and that what we do with our lives will have a significant impact on the quality of life hereafter.</p>
<p><strong>Importance of the temples</strong></p>
<p>That belief in <a title="John 17:2-3" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/17/2-3#2">life eternal</a> is not unique, but the idea that we can do something to ensure that the relationships we enjoy here continue in the hereafter is very unique indeed.  I have had dialog with visitors to my blog who claim that God would never be so mean as to separate a loving couple who cherished and served each other all their mortal lives.</p>
<p>I’m not going to point you to any <a title="Celestial marriage" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Celestial_marriage">statements from church leaders</a> that teach otherwise but I will say this: before you go making claims about how God should behave, you might want to be absolutely sure of what God has said on the subject.  I can’t think of anything about which I would want to be surer.  My eternal happiness depends on it.</p>
<p><strong>Book of Mormon is still the key</strong></p>
<p>Back to the point of the essay and why prophets have said that there can be <em><strong>no middle ground</strong></em> when it comes to things like authority and revelation and Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon.  My mother, who was a convert to the church, once said to me that as an investigator, she could accept everything about it except the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a>.</p>
<p>It wasn’t until much later in life when she took an <a title="Institute" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Institute">Institute</a> class on the subject that she really began to understand just how important it is to our claims of divine origin.  I love the fact that we do not have <a title="Gold Plates" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gold_Plates">the plates</a> to “prove” the historicity of the book.  Prophets have taught that the Book of Mormon is a great sifter of those who are honest in heart.</p>
<p><strong>The power of a divine witness</strong></p>
<p>I know there are those who have said that they have tried and failed to obtain a witness of the veracity of the Book of Mormon.  I have had dialog with people both inside and outside the church who have struggled with this.  I confess that I cannot offer a perfect empathy because <a title="Personal Revelation" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-call-for-more-personal-revelation/">I received a witness</a> of the truthfulness of the book many years ago.</p>
<p>Because of that divine manifestation to me, not just once but <a title="Testimony at Rick's College" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-different-kind-of-religious-education/">on several occasions</a>, I have never doubted the Book of Mormon, or the claims of the prophet Joseph Smith. I understand why the prophets have said that the Book of Mormon is the <a title="Keystone of our religion" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=50db94bf3938b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">keystone of our religion</a> and why our claims of divinity rest upon the veracity of that book.  I also agree with the statement that the <a title="Strength of members" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=18659209df38b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">strength of this church is in the testimony</a> of each member.</p>
<p><strong>The promise of personal revelation</strong></p>
<p>One of my evangelical visitors once called this security that I feel, <a title="Burning of the bosom" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/burning-of-the-bosom-feelings-from-god/">the Mormon bubble</a>.  He says it is not logical but it makes perfect sense to me.  You can throw out all kinds of arguments about the <a title="Book of Abraham" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/objections-to-the-book-of-abraham/">Book of Abraham</a>, <a title="Plural wives of Joseph" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-plural-wives-of-joseph-smith/">Polyandry</a>, <a title="Post Manifesto polygamy" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/no-such-thing-as-mormon-fundamentalism/">Post-manifesto plural marriage</a>, the <a title="Kinderhook plates" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Kinderhook_plates">Kinderhook Plates</a> or any one a few dozen other things that can be found on the Internet.</p>
<p>None of them bothered me when I first learned about them and none of them do now.  I have written <a title="General Authority subjects" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/general-authority-training-advanced-subjects/">essays on dozens of these objections</a> and have come to the conclusion that they really aren’t the real problem with why people doubt or leave the church.  In my opinion, those who struggle with these doubts have not received <a title="Apostasy" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Apostate">personal revelation</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>I know that a <a title="Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">testimony</a> is a very sacred and personal subject.  I also know that making a generalization like I just did will bring all kinds of protests.  But I stand by it as truth.  If a man has received a <a title="Gift of the Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gift_of_the_Holy_Ghost">witness from God</a> that the Book of Mormon is true then God has a responsibility to help that man as he goes through the ensuing <a title="Trials" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Trials">trials</a> of that testimony.</p>
<p>I know that God will help the honest in heart keep their testimonies strong and vibrant.  If we <a title="Gospel Study" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bible_Study">study</a> we are going to find out things that will test our witness.  We will then have the opportunity to strengthen and deepen it.  That’s what opposition is for.  We do not have to wallow in doubt.  But those who doubt are welcome while they work things out.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last November, LDS Harvard undergrad Rachel Esplin made viral video news with her incredibly articulate and intelligent responses to some very difficult questions about the Mormon faith. She was asked whether she wears sacred undergarments, if Mormonism is a cult, how &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/rachel-esplin-video-continues-to-be-a-hit/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last November, LDS Harvard undergrad Rachel Esplin made viral video news with her incredibly articulate and intelligent responses to some very difficult questions about the Mormon faith. She was asked whether she wears sacred undergarments, if Mormonism is a cult, how she views the role of women in her church, and what her relationship is with Jesus. For not having served a mission, this young 20-year old is an amazing missionary for the LDS faith.</p>
<p><a title="Vimeo Rachel Esplin" href="http://vimeo.com/2120177">The interview</a> is twenty minutes long and something you may enjoy viewing as part of a Family Home Evening or perhaps even burning it to a DVD and sharing it in a Sunday School lesson about how to share the gospel in today&#8217;s media savvy world. Rachel was on the debate team in her high school and her mother teaches at BYU Idaho. But still, this young woman did a better job than I ever could at responding to difficult questions with poise and confidence.</p>
<p>You may also be interested in viewing some of the hundreds of comments that accompanied just one typical news piece covering the popularity of the video as it appeared in <a title="Boston Globe article" href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles_of_faith/2009/03/mormon_tv_harva.html">the Boston Globe</a>.  I think the very first comment is excellent as it helps us to see how the world perceives us as being closed and secretive.  Especially note the tenor of the comments that focus on the <a title="Only true and living church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">claims of exclusivity</a>.  This continues to be a difficult point for many to deal with both within and without the church.</p>
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<p><a href="http://vimeo.com/2120177">Day of Faith: Personal Quests for a Purpose &#8211; 3. Rachel Esplin</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user481977">Harvard Hillel</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
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		<title>A different kind of knowledge</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 04:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could have sworn that I already wrote this essay but realized after some digging that the main points were developed as part of a long dialog with my Evangelical friend in the comments section of several of my early &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-different-kind-of-knowledge/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-349" title="missionaries" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/missionaries-150x150.jpg" alt="missionaries" width="150" height="150" />I could have sworn that I already wrote this essay but realized after some digging that the main points were developed as part of a long dialog with my <a title="Only true church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">Evangelical friend</a> in the comments section of several of my <a title="Book of Abraham" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/objections-to-the-book-of-abraham/">early articles</a>.  I also thought about entitling this, “Why we say ‘I know’ and not ‘I believe’,” but I’m not sure that it fully describes what I want to cover in this post.</p>
<p>The main thesis for my essay can be taken from a story about tasting salt and this statement from <a title="Boyd K. Packer" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/president-boyd-k-packer">Boyd K. Packer</a>: “My friend, spiritually speaking, <a title="I have tasted salt" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mormons-are-brainwashed-lying-for-the-lord/">I have tasted salt</a>. I am no more able to convey to you in words how this knowledge has come than you are to tell me what salt tastes like.”  You would have to read “<a title="The Candle of the Lord" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=b4bbc5e8b4b6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1">The Candle of the Lord</a>” again to get the background if you don’t recall it.</p>
<p><strong>The bearing of testimonies</strong></p>
<p>A huge bone of contention and point of offense with some within the church is the fact that we get up each <a title="Fast Sunday" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Fast_Sunday">Fast Sunday</a> and say to each other, “I know <a title="Only true church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/for-they-were-all-wrong/">the church is true</a>.  I know the <a title="Book or Mormon" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-book-of-mormon-brings-us-closer-to-christ/">Book of Mormon</a> is the word of God.  I know that <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-visions-of-joseph-smith/">Joseph Smith</a> was a prophet.  I know that <a title="Thomas S Monson" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/thomas-s-monson-named-president-of-the-church/">Thomas S. Monson</a> is a prophet today” and various other statements that start with the phrase “I know…”</p>
<p>They especially cite the practice of little children at the podium with a parent or sibling standing behind the child whispering the above phrases in their ear for the child to repeat out loud.  If you have been to an LDS <a title="Sacrament meeting" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Sacrament_Meeting">Sacrament service</a> on the first Sunday of the month you know what I am talking about.  Having grown up in the church this little ritual does not seem at all strange to me.</p>
<p><strong>Direction from the Brethren</strong></p>
<p>However, apparently enough people thought it wrong that <a title="The Brethren" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Brethren">the Brethren</a> issued a letter to be read in all wards advising that little children practice their testimonies at home or in <a title="Primary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Primary">Primary</a> classes instead of at the pulpit in <a title="Fast and Testimony Meeting" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Fast_and_Testimony_Meeting">fast and testimony meeting</a>.  Even though this was issued more then five years ago, the practice continues and so it bears re-reading by <a title="Bishopric" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bishopric">bishoprics</a> on a regular basis.</p>
<p>To quote: “It may be best to have younger children learn to share their testimonies in settings such as <a title="Family Home Evening" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Family_Home_Evening">family home evening</a> or when giving talks in Primary until they are old enough to do so unassisted in a fast and testimony meeting.”  Yes, little children can and do feel the <a title="Spirit of the Lord" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Spirit_of_the_Lord">spirit of the Lord</a> bearing witness to their souls of the truth but learning to express it may take some time.</p>
<p><strong>Brainwashing or groupthink</strong></p>
<p>But it’s not just the children’s <a title="Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">testimonies</a>that bother some within the church.  It is the idea of saying, “I know” that such and such a thing is true when logically, they cannot possibly know of the veracity of historical events because they weren’t there.  To these people, a thanktimony or a travelogue is preferable to hear rather than to have someone say that “they know” something.</p>
<p>Let’s investigate that.  The claim is <a title="Brainwashed" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mormons-are-brainwashed-lying-for-the-lord/">brainwashing</a> or <a title="Groupthink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink">group thinking</a> without any real thought as to what is actually being said.  Is there any validity to this claim?  Of course there is.  You and I have both seen people get up to the pulpit and just repeat what they have heard other people say without sensing any depth of meaning behind what they are saying.  What do they really know?</p>
<p><strong>Discovering a testimony</strong></p>
<p>And yet, consider that <a title="Bearing testimony" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/elder-packer-was-right-about-bearing-testimony/">President Packer taught us</a> that “a testimony is to be found in the <a title="Bearing testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bearing_a_Testimony">bearing </a>of it.”  Isn’t it possible that when our children and youth get up there and say what comes into their hearts that they are entitled to receive <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelation</a> that what they are saying is good and true?  It is my personal experience, shared in <a title="Bear testimony to strengthen it" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/elder-packer-was-right-about-bearing-testimony/">a previous essay</a> that knowledge can be obtained like this.</p>
<p>Growing up in the church, we are taught in <a title="Primary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Primary">Primary</a> and <a title="Sunday school" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Sunday_School">Sunday school</a> all the basics we need to know to form a foundational testimony of the goodness and truthfulness of the <a title="Restoration" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Restoration">restored gospel</a> of Jesus Christ.  I am a product of this system of indoctrination and training.  I can tell you from my own experience that it works, or at least that it worked for me to a certain point in my young life.</p>
<p><strong>A testimony must grow</strong></p>
<p>I believe that most people who grow up in the church come to a point in their lives where they must advance beyond the basic testimony of their youth.  I also believe that the many natural circumstances of life will require us to make decisions about our testimonies that can be hard and perhaps even painful.  In my opinion, it is the same process through which a <a title="Convert" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Convert">convert</a> must pass.</p>
<p>In other words, the testimony of the youth obtained from repeating what was heard from others, is going to be tested and tried.  Was that childish testimony invalid?  No, a testimony obtained as a child is sweet and innocent and pure.  It is valid and real but does not have the depth to sustain us as we move through our lives into a world that challenges such innocent testimonies as naïve.</p>
<p><strong>The influence of leaders</strong></p>
<p>Unfortunately, it is about this point that some of our young people in the church struggle with the transition to the kind of testimony that can weather the storm of <a title="Adversity" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Trials">adversity</a> and <a title="Opposition" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Opposition">opposition</a>.  That’s where a good <a title="Seminary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Seminary">seminary</a> or <a title="Institute" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Institute">institute</a> teacher can make a real difference in the lives of our youth.  For me, it was a <a title="Scouting" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Scouting">scout advisor</a> and <a title="Counselor" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Counselor">counselor</a> in a bishopric who helped me make that transition.</p>
<p>I knew that Jim Mortensen cared about me because of his sacrifice of time in going with us on scout trips and other activities.  Although I had heard him share his testimony before, I took an occasion to ask him point blank in a private setting to tell me how he knew the church was true.  I know I surprised him, but I will never forget the depth of his sincerity or the spirit that I felt.</p>
<p><strong>A powerful example</strong></p>
<p>Even though Jim came to church alone because his wife didn’t feel comfortable there, he was always cheerful and friendly.  I knew that his testimony gave him strength but wanted to know <strong><em>how</em></strong> he knew that it was true.  He answered by asking if he could bear his testimony first.  “Of course”, I said and he did.  I was not prepared for the power of what I felt as he spoke slowly.</p>
<p>When he finished we both had tears in our eyes.  “You see, Tim,” he said, “every time I bear my testimony it is strengthened.  Every time I tell someone else that I know it is true, I feel it deep in my heart.  It is not simply an emotional response, but a deep conviction.  Now do you understand how I know?”  I did understand and made it my goal to follow his example throughout my life.</p>
<p><strong>Strengthened by sharing</strong></p>
<p>As I have served in the church over the years as a <a title="My Mission" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-teaching-and-testifying-missionary/">missionary</a> and as a leader in <a title="Ward" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ward">wards</a> and <a title="Stake" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake">stakes</a> I have always cherished the opportunities to teach the <a title="Gospel" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gospel">gospel</a>and to share my testimony.  My friend Jim Mortensen instilled in me a desire to do so because I knew that as I bore my testimony to others that it would be strengthened and I would be blessed.  I am so grateful for his example.</p>
<p>I hope this story from my youth illustrates a concept that is hard for many people to understand.  Here is the idea: There are more ways to receive <a title="Knowledge" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Knowledge">knowledge</a> than exclusively through the five senses of the human body.  We can receive knowledge directly from God, through the spirit of the Lord speaking directly to our spirit.  This kind of knowledge is real and very powerful.</p>
<p><strong>Revelation is the source</strong></p>
<p>A valid testimony will always claim <a title="Revelation" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Revelation">revelation</a> as its source.  The things of God are known by revelation and in no other way.  It is one thing to be able to say, “I believe, I think, I hope that the gospel is true,” but it requires personal revelation from the spirit of the Lord to declare, “I know that the Church is true.”  There is simply no other way.  We must experience revelation.</p>
<p>We can say that we know the church is true by the power of the Holy Ghost and in no other way. It is not through <a title="Reason" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason">reason</a>, <a title="Logic" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic">logic</a>, or the <a title="Philosophy" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy">philosophies of men</a> or the <a title="Theories" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory">theories of the world</a>, although these can help to explain it after the receipt.  A testimony of the gospel is received when the Holy Spirit speaks to the spirit within us.  It comes with calm, unwavering certainty into our hearts.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>We should have the courage to say “I know.” Some may think this is a trite expression, but “I know” remains a powerful and moving phrase when spoken with sincere conviction. We should say “I believe” if, in fact, we only believe and do not yet know for sure.  We should strive for the day when we can say that we know, having received that knowledge from the spirit of the Lord.</p>
<p>Telling stories, expressing gratitude, admitting that we have testimonies, or saying that we only believe are not the same as saying that we know.  We can know for ourselves and we should know, but that knowledge comes only on the Lord’s terms.  It is received by revelation and not by reasoning or logic.  Once received, we can then say, “I know,” with conviction and mean it.</p>
<p>For more information:</p>
<p>1. <a title="Elder Oaks on Testimony" href="http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-851-10,00.html">Testimony</a>, Elder Dallin H. Oaks, Ensign May 2008<br />
2. <a title="Testimony in the Topical Guide" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=d2157c2fc20b8010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____">Topical guide</a> reference to Testimony with scriptures<br />
3. <a title="I had questions, Elder Teh" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=88db6378be7f0210VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1">I had questions</a>, Elder John U. Teh of the Seventy<br />
4. <a title="Testimony as a process" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=d0e64bb52a73d110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1">Testimony as a process</a>, Elder Carlos A. Godoy<br />
5. <a title="Encyclopedia of Mormonism" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Testimony">Testimony</a>, in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been intrigued by Blake Ostler’s 2007 FAIR conference presentation entitled, “Spiritual Experiences as the Basis for Belief and Commitment.”  I have read it several times and have decided that Blake is on to something that I would like &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/spiritual-experiences-as-a-foundation-for-faith/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-338" title="josephplates" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/josephplates-150x150.jpg" alt="josephplates" width="150" height="150" />I have been intrigued by <a title="Blake Ostler" href="http://www.blakeostler.com">Blake Ostler</a>’s 2007 <a title="FAIR" href="http://www.fairlds.org/">FAIR</a> conference <a title="Blake's essay FAIR 2007" href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2007_Spiritual_Experiences.html">presentation</a> entitled, “Spiritual Experiences as the Basis for Belief and Commitment.”  I have read it several times and have decided that Blake is on to something that I would like to develop further.  As you can see I have modified his title a little bit for use in my essay.  I highly recommend you read <a title="Blake's essay" href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2007_Spiritual_Experiences.html">his essay</a> first.</p>
<p>I’m going to focus on two points he made as he was answering questions towards the end of the presentation.  The first is this: “Memory, and what we do, is changed every time we think about it and remember it.”  The second is this: “All logic is <em>ex post facto</em> to prove what we already feel is true.”  Keep those points in mind as I advance some ideas on my experience with revelation.</p>
<p><strong>Youthful revelatory experiences</strong></p>
<p>Like Blake, I had some remarkable <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelatory experiences</a> when I was young that impressed me at the time but have impressed me even more as I have pondered and remembered them over the years.  I have written about them previously, but will list them here to provide some background.  Don’t think that these sacred events were easily obtained or casually absorbed.  They weren’t.</p>
<p>I was taught and believe that we <a title="Cannot live on borrowed light" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=9a7e945bd384b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1">cannot live on borrowed light</a>.  Throughout my <a title="Seminary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Seminary">Seminary</a> and <a title="Institute" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Institute">Institute</a> experience, I must have heard dozens of lessons on how vitally important it is to obtain our own <a title="Testimony" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Testimony">witness of the spirit</a> in order to remain committed to the church and the gospel in later years.  My teachers taught me and the spirit confirmed that I could receive <a title="Revelation" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Revelation">personal revelation</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Foundational spiritual events</strong></p>
<p>The first <a title="Rick's College experience" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-different-kind-of-religious-education/">revelatory experience</a> to which I’ll refer was obtained while I was a student at BYU Idaho.  I was seventeen years old and very immature but very impressed with a testimony I had heard that week from an Apostle of the Lord.  That weekend in my room I prayed fervently for many hours to know for myself that what he had said was true and important for me in my life.</p>
<p>The next impressive spiritual event in the development of my testimony was the next year when I was eighteen years old and preparing myself to serve a mission.  I have also shared this one in <a title="Personal revelation" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-call-for-more-personal-revelation/">a previous essay</a>.  The experience was equally as impressive as the first one though it was perhaps deeper in meaning and implication.  These are part of my early foundational spiritual memories.</p>
<p><strong>Deep impact on my faith</strong></p>
<p>These were not my only youthful revelatory experiences.  I have recorded several others in my journals that came almost unbidden during the years before my mission.  Although I received them as a result of prayer, the effort was not as intense.  In other words, I did not pray for many hours or fast for days to obtain the other experiences.  Nevertheless, they were just as powerful.</p>
<p>Because of these events, I was able to go through the difficult and rigorous experience of <a title="My missionary experience" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-teaching-and-testifying-missionary/">serving as a missionary</a> without looking back and wondering why I decided to sacrifice like that for two years.  I had these sacred memories burning in my heart and being added unto with additional everyday assurances from the Lord that I was engaged in his work and that he was appreciative.</p>
<p><strong>Working with imperfect people</strong></p>
<p>Life marches on.  An education is obtained, a <a title="My marriage" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-sacred-power-of-marriage/">marriage</a> is solemnized in the temple, a family is raised and increasing responsibilities in a career and in the church are rewarding and fulfilling.  As sometimes happens, I begin to learn things about my faith, and especially about the people in it that are at first disturbing and then disappointing.  I experience some logical inconsistencies.</p>
<p><a title="Cognitive Dissonance" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance">Cognitive dissonance</a> can be a painful experience when it includes people from our world who are in authoritative positions.  For example, a beloved <a title="Bishop" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bishop">bishop</a> from my youth became inactive after he was released.  How could this happen?  He represented the Lord to me in interviews that I held sacred.  He helped me resolve several youthful problems and encouraged me to be faithful.</p>
<p><strong>Imperfections even at high levels</strong></p>
<p>Another bishop from my youth is disciplined after fiscal improprieties in his business dealings are revealed.  I learn of divorces of people whom I admired, some of whom were influential in my youth.  I then begin to learn of difficulties in higher levels of the church – stake presidents who lose their testimonies and announce to their congregations that they are leaving the faith.</p>
<p>A <a title="George P Lee" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_P._Lee">promising general authority</a> is excommunicated for breaking the law of chastity.  I discover that an <a title="Richard R. Lyman" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_R._Lyman">apostle was excommunicated</a> for this very same reason less than forty years earlier.  How is this possible – a modern apostle excommunicated?  I can understand it happening in the early days of the church but not in our day and age.  These are men of God.  Tell me this wasn’t so!</p>
<p><strong>Sacred things exposed and mocked</strong></p>
<p>I discovered that a former ordinance worker in the temple had recorded the temple ceremony and then published it.  How could he do that?  I hold the temple sacred and have enjoyed so many wonderful experiences there over the years.  What could cause him to lose his faith and reveal something that means so much to me?  Did he never have any spiritual experiences of his own?</p>
<p>From the earliest days of the church there have been those who have not been impressed with the sacred nature of the temple and have exposed things that they have covenanted to keep sacred.  In our day there are those who claim to have received the <a title="Second Annointing" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_anointing">second anointing</a> and then describe it on the message boards of those who hate the church.  Something’s not right with this picture.</p>
<p><strong>Not all members receive revelation</strong></p>
<p>I used to think that everybody in the church had spiritual experiences similar to those I enjoyed in my youth.  Over the years, I have come to realize that this is not the case.  Can that be true even for those who have served as bishops, <a title="Stake President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake_President">stake presidents</a> or even <a title="General Authority" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/General_Authority">general authorities</a>?  In my opinion, yes &#8211; personal experience has shown this to be so.  Not all members receive revelation.</p>
<p>That has been an amazing thing for me to contemplate.  Was I just extremely lucky or blessed to believe that I could receive revelation when I was so young?  Several visitors to my blog over the years have tried to convince me that I did not receive revelation.  They have suggested that what I experienced was a form of self-hypnosis, or simply the effect of a frenzied, emotional state.</p>
<p><strong>Memories can be enlarged</strong></p>
<p>Back to Blake’s two points, memory first.  I have come to realize that although my early spiritual experiences occurred nearly thirty-five years ago, they are clearer in my mind now then when I first experienced them.  The combination of pondering them and writing about them has helped me to understand that there was much more detail in the experiences than what I first thought.</p>
<p>As Blake pointed out in his essay, this helps me to understand why Joseph Smith could recount the same <a title="First Vision" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/First_Vision">First Vision</a> experience differently in <a title="Multiple accounts of First Vision" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/multiple-versions-of-the-first-vision/">each of the accounts</a> he relates over the years.  I was so focused on determining my own standing before God in my first youthful manifestation that I had overlooked how deeply and powerfully the Lord spoke to me about missionary labors.</p>
<p><strong>How to explain all this</strong></p>
<p>Blake’s second point was that all logic is created to prove what we already feel is true.  I have had prima facia experiences that overrule any logical inconsistencies I have encountered in what I have learned about the history and people of this church as I have studied it in more depth.  In effect, I have not really experienced cognitive dissonance at all because the spiritual trumps logical.</p>
<p>Let me restate that.  My spiritual revelatory experiences with the Holy Ghost early in my life have proven to be so powerful that it seems that no matter what kind of troubling things I may learn about the men who run or have run this church, I feel inoculated and immune to their effect.  My evangelical friends call this “living in the protective Mormon bubble of a testimony.”</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>My experiences with the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a> are not going to be the same as yours.  They may be similar or they may be completely different.  For me, these revelatory events in my youth have provided a foundation for my experiences in this church thus far.  I have encountered much imperfection and weakness in the men who run it, but the spiritual witnesses of my life have protected me.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that I continue to believe that the <a title="LDS Church" href="http://www.lds.org">LDS Church</a> is what it claims to be when it was setup through the prophet Joseph Smith <a title="Organization of the church" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Organization_of_the_Church%2C_1830">in 1830</a>.  The simple fact is that we can know this for ourselves through revelatory encounters with the Holy Ghost.  No matter what negative things I discover, nothing can overcome the strength of that personal witness if I remain worthy.</p>
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<p>Note about the illustration: This artist&#8217;s conception of Joseph translating the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a> is one that is highly criticized by some members of the church.  They feel it is disingenuous because it does not show Joseph using the <a title="Seer stone in a hat" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/seer-stone-in-a-hat-book-of-mormon-translation/">seer stones in the hat</a>.  It also shows the plates in plain view of Oliver which was not the case.  Joseph was not to show them to anyone unless commanded of the Lord.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In our Pearl of Great Price Summer Institute class this evening we studied Joseph Smith History verses one through twenty. You know the story. It’s the First Vision. We had a substitute teacher this evening, a judge from the local &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/for-they-were-all-wrong/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/SJqmooStQnI/AAAAAAAAAkQ/UhTSh3g_Atg/s1600-h/FirstVision.jpg"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5231677134085112434" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; WIDTH: 103px; CURSOR: pointer; HEIGHT: 136px" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/SJqmooStQnI/AAAAAAAAAkQ/UhTSh3g_Atg/s200/FirstVision.jpg" border="0" /></a>In our <a href="http://www.ldsces.org/inst_manuals/pgp/manualindex.asp">Pearl of Great Price</a> Summer <a href="http://institute.lds.org/">Institute class</a> this evening we studied <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1">Joseph Smith History</a> verses one through twenty. You know the story. It’s <a href="http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/the-restoration-of-truth/the-restoration-of-the-gospel">the First Vision</a>. We had a substitute teacher this evening, a judge from the local divorce court. He’s funny and shoots from the hip so he invited discussion. There were a lot of First Vision stories shared both from the first time hearing and the first time sharing, as a missionary.</p>
<p>There has been much discussion on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloggernacle">the Bloggernacle</a> about “<a href="http://www.templestudy.com/2008/07/29/the-one-true-church/">The One True Church</a>.” When we got to <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19">verse nineteen</a>, I eagerly anticipated some discussion about The Lord’s response to Joseph when he asked which church he should join. I thought someone would bring up, as I have read in so many comments on various LDS blogs, why it is so offensive to claim that we are “The One True Church,” and that all others are wrong.</p>
<p>Nothing. Nobody said anything. So I raised my hand and volunteered that there was a lot of truth in other churches and a lot of good people in other churches. I wondered aloud if anybody had run across this argument before that we are considered arrogant and perhaps downright insulting to others when we make this claim. Nope. Nobody. These are all young adults, most born and raised in the church but a few converts, some recent.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Perhaps it’s just a Bloggernacle thing</span></p>
<p>I have <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/03/only-true-and-living-church.html">written about this subject</a> before. Several others have written about it lately and have been taken to task for making such a claim. I am a little puzzled. Is it or is it not an issue to others who consider what we have to offer? I think of the sister in Sacrament meeting sitting next to her husband, who is not a member of our faith, when the speaker bears testimony, “I know that we are the only true and living church on the earth today.”</p>
<p>We discussed the Lord’s response: “…all their creeds were an abomination in his sight.” <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creed">Creeds</a> of course are statements or professions of belief, in this case religious beliefs. The most well-known are the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed">Nicene Creed</a>, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athanasian_Creed">Athanasian Creed</a> and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostles%27_Creed">Apostles Creed</a>. Many religious groups have and use creeds. Labeling them as abominations is certainly harsh. It means exceptionally detestable, loathsome, hateful, wicked or vile.</p>
<p>The Lord also said that the professors of these creeds were all corrupt; that “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” I wonder if the Lord meant the preachers or the believers when he referred to professors. Either way, it is quite a condemnation to be called corrupt by the Lord, isn’t it?</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">They were all wrong</span></p>
<p>But the part of the Lord’s response that seems to have sparked the most debate over the years, and it continues today on the LDS blogs and discussion forums, is the instruction to Joseph that he “must join none of them for <span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">they were all wrong</span>…” I think it is the idea of rightness and wrongness that some people find offensive. I can only imagine that they must say to themselves that Joseph made this whole thing up, for how could the Lord say such a thing? All churches are good that teach of God, right?</p>
<p>Why is the concept of rightness and wrongness so important in a religion? This is the thing that bothered Joseph so much as he considered which church to join. He wrote that the people argued with each other about points of doctrine and each claimed to be right. He also pointed out that they lost all good feelings one for another because of their arguments. I see the same thing happening today right here in many of our LDS blogs.</p>
<p>Intelligent discussion on a group blog is one thing but it so often descends to personal attacks that you are right and they are wrong. Yet when I visit the blogs of some of these individuals I note that the contents of their blogs are mostly uplifting and contain essays that are right in line with the “orthodox” views of most members of the church. I really had to laugh the other day when <a href="http://www.bycommonconsent.com/2008/08/my-way-or-the-highway/">one blogger wrote</a>, “My opinions are orthodox. The rest of you are nuts.”</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Religious discussions are healthy</span></p>
<p>I guess it all depends on what you seek in your religion and in your discussions on the subject. Some are looking for intellectual stimulation and want to explore viewpoints that are perhaps not basic to our revealed theology. Others want to engage in dialog on a subject that has bothered them and are looking for clarification or justification from others. There are probably as many reasons why people discuss religion as there are people who discuss religion. I personally am looking for understanding of the views of others.</p>
<p>I hate arguments. I don’t care to prove my points right or wrong. I believe that truth can stand on its own. There have been so many defenders of the faith before me who have done a masterful job of explaining what we believe. We have a wealth of history and religious discourse over the years. We can draw upon our heritage of published writings to keep us busy for a lifetime if we could find the time to digest and summarize it.</p>
<p>I love most of the blogs I read that are listed on my sidebar. I don’t have the time to comment on all of them but enjoy reading the comments of those who do. There are some incredibly smart and faithful people out there. Thank you all for your lively discussions and for making your points of view understood. Your dialog helps me in my personal efforts to study the gospel. I am drawn to the scriptures over and over again through your remarks.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Summary and conclusion</span></p>
<p>The claim that we are right has been a central part of our religion from even before the church was organized. It’s not going to go away. It’s also something for which we do not need to apologize. It is based on scripture. This church is “the <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/1/30#30">only true and living church</a> upon the face of the whole earth.” Yes, the Lord’s statement that all the other churches are all wrong is a bold statement, but it is fundamental to Mormonism.</p>
<p>There is much good in other churches. There are so many good people who do so much good as part of their faith and belief. We do not force people to accept our claim to be the only true church. We simply present the evidence of the revealed word to <a href="http://www.josephsmith.net/josephsmith">the prophet Joseph</a> and invite them to decide for themselves if it has credence or not. We can simply add our testimony and witness that we have found it to be true by our own study and prayer. Without arguing, we can discuss the doctrine and enjoy the spirit in our work.</p>
<p>I enjoy the confidence and surety that comes from this personal testimony that I belong to the only true church. I hope that it never becomes a stumbling block to anyone else. It is not something that we wave in the face or rub in the noses of others. I know that others do not enjoy this confidence. In fact, there are some who do not believe the doctrine and yet still associate with our church. They are welcome. I hope they feel that welcome.</p>
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