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		<title>An Evening with Richard Bushman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard Bushman is a highly respected historian who probably understands the beginnings of Mormonism as well as or better than anyone else. Besides being the co-general editor of the Joseph Smith Papers, he chairs the board of directors of the Mormon Scholars Foundation.  He knows early church history. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/an-evening-with-richard-bushman/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/richardbushman.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-753" title="richardbushman" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/richardbushman-224x300.jpg" alt="" width="224" height="300" /></a>About a thousand other people and I enjoyed an evening with <a title="A previous essay on Rough Stone Rolling" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/smoothing-down-that-rough-stone-rolling/">Richard Bushman</a> last night. He spoke about Joseph and Emma for about 40 minutes and then entertained questions from the audience for another 40 minutes. While his insights on Joseph and Emma were interesting, I found the questions more fascinating, because they reflected a lot of the issues I blog about.</p>
<p>For those who don’t know, Richard Bushman is the author of <a title="Wikipedia article on Rough Stone Rolling" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith:_Rough_Stone_Rolling">Rough Stone Rolling</a>, the 2005 biography of Joseph Smith that has become the definitive account of the prophet’s life as told from the viewpoint of a faithful historian. I took advantage of the opportunity to have him autograph my copy and was not the only one in the audience who waited in line to do so.</p>
<p><strong>Open and honest discussion</strong></p>
<p>It was wonderful to see so many people interested in learning more about this great man and the beginnings of the Mormon Church. Every time he finished answering a question a dozen more hands shot up. We could have been there for several more hours. I think that goes to show you how much we as a people appreciate someone who has studied the prophet’s life in such detail.</p>
<p>There were many questions that focused on the process of translating, the Urim and Thummim, the <a title="Seer stone in a hat" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/seer-stone-in-a-hat-book-of-mormon-translation/">seer stone in the hat</a>, <a title="Plural Marriage" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-practice-of-plural-marriage/">polygamy</a>, the three witnesses and the eight witnesses, Oliver Cowdery, the martyrdom, succession, <a title="Book of Abraham" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/objections-to-the-book-of-abraham/">Book of Abraham translation</a>, <a title="Mountain Meadows Massacre" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mountain-meadows-massacre-in-the-news-again/">Mountain Meadows massacre</a> and folk magic. He welcomed every question and encouraged us to ask even the most difficult ones.</p>
<p><strong>A well-qualified historian</strong></p>
<p>One of the most refreshing comments I heard was his expression of appreciation to the church, specifically to the church historian’s office, <a title="Marlin K Jensen" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin_K._Jensen">Marlin K. Jensen</a> and <a title="Richard E Turley" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_E._Turley,_Jr.">Richard E. Turley</a> for the recent publication of <a title="Available at Deseret Book" href="http://deseretbook.com/Massacre-Mountain-Meadows-Richard-E-Turley-Jr/i/4932848">Massacre at Mountain Meadows</a>. He then said that he hoped that the church would do the same with the issue of polygamy, treating it openly and with historical accuracy.</p>
<p>Burt what impressed me most about the evening was the obvious fact that Richard Bushman is a highly respected historian who probably understands the beginnings of Mormonism as well as or better than anyone else. Besides being the co-general editor of the <a title="Joseph Smith Papers" href="http://beta.josephsmithpapers.org/">Joseph Smith Papers</a>, he chairs the board of directors of the <a title="Mormon Scholars Foundation" href="http://www.mormonscholars.com/">Mormon Scholars Foundation</a>.  He knows early church history.</p>
<p><strong>Serving faithfully in the church</strong></p>
<p>And yet, Richard Bushman has served as a <a title="Bishop" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bishop">bishop</a>, a <a title="Stake President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake_President">stake president</a>, a <a title="Patriarch" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Patriarch">patriarch</a> and is currently a <a title="Inside Mormon Temples" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Inside_Mormon_Temples">sealer</a> in the <a title="Los Angeles Temple" href="http://lds.org/church/temples/los-angeles-california?lang=eng">Los Angeles temple</a>.  I would say that he is a faithful, believing Latter-day Saint, in spite of everything he knows about early church history.  I bring this up specifically to make a point about a common response to my essays and how I can still believe when I know this stuff.</p>
<p>I recently had someone ask me how I was able to do what I do – serve faithfully in the church – in spite of all that I know about, as he called it, “the more disturbing facts of the origins of Mormonism.”  I think maybe he might want to redirect that question to someone like Richard Bushman who knows so much more than I do and yet has been a faithful believer all his life.</p>
<p><strong>Believing in spite of knowing</strong></p>
<p>This individual asked, “How do you reconcile your belief and what the church teaches, with the history of things like the <a title="Joseph Smith was a Mason" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/joseph-smith-was-a-mason-so-what/">origins of the temple ceremony</a>, polygamy, <a title="Multiple versions of the First Vision" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/multiple-versions-of-the-first-vision/">first vision contradictions</a>, development of the story of the restoration of the priesthood, and other issues?”  I answered him privately in an email but have been pondering this whole idea of believing in spite of knowing.</p>
<p>Frankly, it perplexes me. I think I have expressed this same sentiment several times in previous essays every time it comes up. What is so hard about studying and understanding our very early church history, warts and all, and then continuing to believe that Joseph Smith was an instrument in the hands of God to bring about the restoration of the gospel and his church in the latter days?</p>
<p><strong>Shocked by our history</strong></p>
<p>Are we supposed to be shocked, dismayed and overwhelmed with doubt every time we discover some new fact about the early days of the church?  For example, last night we were reminded that beer and wine were used by the early saints, and sometimes even whiskey.  Today, we would be shocked if we learned that the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles drank a glass of wine.</p>
<p>Yet in volume IV, page 120 of the History of the Church on the date of April 17 1840 we read, “This day the Twelve blessed and drank a bottle of wine at Penworthan, made by Mother Moon forty years before.”  Things were different back then, weren’t they?  The <a title="Section 89" href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/89?lang=eng">Word of Wisdom</a> had been received in 1833 but was not binding upon the saints as a commandment like it is today.</p>
<p><strong>History not being hidden</strong></p>
<p>When <a title="Plural wives of Joseph Smith" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-plural-wives-of-joseph-smith/">Fanny Alger</a> was brought up by Brother Bushman last night as an example of an early failed attempt by Joseph to obey the law of plural marriage, I’ll bet there were a few people in the audience who did not know that Joseph had married this sixteen year old girl in 1833. The revelation on celestial marriage had been received in 1831 but Joseph was hesitant to obey.</p>
<p>For some reason, the idea that Joseph participated in <a title="Plural Marriage" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-practice-of-plural-marriage/">plural marriage</a> is supposed to be shocking to us. This continues to be one of the most common tactics of our critics – to try to shock us with facts that are supposedly being hidden from us by our modern church leaders.  Nothing could be further from the truth. We are always being encouraged to study our history and learn the facts.</p>
<p><strong>Selling the Book of Mormon Copyright</strong></p>
<p>Another example that our critics like to throw at us is the failed attempt to sell the copyright to the Book of Mormon in Canada. Until recently, the only source for this event was the memory of <a title="David Whitmer" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Whitmer">David Whitmer</a> who was not present when Joseph sent the brethren on their mission.  Joseph never said that it must have been a false revelation as Whitmer claimed he said upon their return.</p>
<p>We’re then supposed to conclude that if we can’t trust a revelation from Joseph then how are we supposed to know what is revelation from God. I’m not an apologist but I’m grateful that there are people who dig into these things to get the facts and present them for our review.  Of course, the same facts can be presented in favorable or unfavorable light, depending on where you go.</p>
<p><strong>Consider carefully the source</strong></p>
<p>For example, you can read the story of the copyright mission to Canada on <a title="MormonThink" href="http://mormonthink.com/testimonyweb.htm#satan">MormonThink</a> as supposed evidence that even Joseph Smith didn’t know when revelations were from God and when they were from the devil.  Yet you can read the same account in greater clarity and detail from a more trustworthy and reliable source like <a title="FAIR page on Canada mission" href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Attempt_to_sell_copyright">FAIR</a> and come away strengthened in faith.</p>
<p>We could go on and on with hundreds of things that are supposed to be shocking to us modern believers of the faith because they seem so out of character with what we’ve been taught about Joseph or other leaders of the early LDS church. If we are bothered by something, then we need to do our homework and get all the facts as part of the process of confirming truth for ourselves.</p>
<p><strong>Get the facts straight</strong></p>
<p>If I were concerned upon reading that Joseph Smith was supposed to have said that even he didn’t know when a prophecy came from the Lord or that he is supposed to have said that a revelation he received must have come from the devil, as David Whitmer said he did, then I would want to read more about this and would be very careful about the source that I study.</p>
<p>Because if I believed that Joseph really said this, then that might lead me to conclude that if even prophets have a hard time understanding revelation, how can I really be expected to understand or know the truth of revelations that come to me, especially revelation that I think is telling me that the church itself is true? Do you see how important it is to get the facts of certain matters?</p>
<p><strong>The Joseph Smith Papers</strong></p>
<p>Of course Joseph never said that he must have received a false revelation.  In fact, according to more recent information discovered, the brethren who went on the mission to Canada in an attempt to sell the copyright to the Book of Mormon felt that they were successful on their mission and that the Lord was pleased with their efforts. The promised sale was conditional.</p>
<p>I’m grateful for brethren like Richard Bushman, who are helping to bring us the Joseph Smith papers. In volume 1 of the <a title="Revelations and Translations" href="http://deseretbook.com/Joseph-Smith-Papers-Revelations-Translations-Manuscript-Revelation-Books-Facsimile-Edition-Dean-C-Jessee/i/4389360">Manuscript Revelation Books</a>, we have the full copy of the mission to Canada revelation. It can be read there. The criticism that Joseph later claimed that the revelation had not come from God is in all likelihood the product of a false memory by David Whitmer.</p>
<p><strong>We can believe the prophet</strong></p>
<p>As I wrote in <a title="Come unto Christ" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/come-unto-christ/">a previous essay</a>, I believe it is our lifelong pursuit to understand revelation and to come to know how the Lord communicates with each of us. We can rely on the promises of the Lord to lead us, guide us and walk beside us because we have the gift of the Holy Ghost. I hope we cherish this gift and live worthy of the constant companionship of this promised revelator.</p>
<p>Joseph Smith knew when the Lord was inspiring him and so did most of the brethren who were with him at the time when he received revelation. We can trust that the Lord will help us to have the assurances we need to believe in the mission of the prophet Joseph Smith. Someday, we will meet Brother Joseph and if we still have questions about his life we can ask them to him directly.</p>
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		<title>Divine manifestations must have a purpose</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the delightful parts of a stake temple night is the opportunity to be taught by a member of the temple presidency.  I once asked my stake president about divine manifastations in the temple. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/divine-manifestations-must-have-a-purpose/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-436" title="elijahkey" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/elijahkey-150x150.jpg" alt="elijahkey" width="150" height="150" />One of the delightful parts of a <a title="Stake" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake">stake</a> <a title="Mormon Temples" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_Temples">temple</a> night is the opportunity to be taught by a member of the <a title="Temple President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Temple_President">temple presidency</a>.  On one particular occasion many years ago, the Temple President felt inspired to relate a few stories that patrons had shared with him about <a title="Manifestations" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/tg/m/34">spiritual manifestations</a> that they had received while serving in the <a title="Los Angeles" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Los_Angeles_California_Temple">LA temple</a>.  It was an uplifting and edifying session.</p>
<p>I was very impressed with what the Temple President spoke about that evening.  He related some very sacred experiences of visits from the other side of <a title="Veil" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gs/v/2">the veil</a> from deceased family members for whom the <a title="Temple Ordinances" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Temple_Ordinances">work</a> was being done.  He gave specific examples of what people saw, heard or felt that was evidence to them of the validity of this work and that it is accepted by their relatives.</p>
<p><strong>A conversation with my Stake President</strong></p>
<p>While preparing to leave the temple that evening, I conversed with my <a title="Stake President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake_President">Stake President</a> about the things the Temple President had taught us in our chapel session.  I had served with this Stake President for several years on the <a title="High Council" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/High_Council">High Council</a> and felt comfortable sharing heartfelt concerns.  I knew that he would carefully consider what I had to say before answering with thoughtfulness.</p>
<p>“President”, I said, “I’ve been coming to this temple <a title="My experience with the temple" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/my-experience-with-the-temple/">since I was twelve years old</a>.  In fact, I was six years old when I was sealed here to my parents.  I have <a title="Blessings of the Temple" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-blessings-of-the-lds-temple/">many sacred memories</a> of this place.  I was <a title="Temple endowment" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Temple_endowment">endowed</a> here when I was nineteen and married to my sweetheart not too many years after completing <a title="Teach and testify" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-teaching-and-testifying-missionary/">my mission</a>.  I have participated in several thousand <a title="Ordinances" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ordinances">ordinances</a> here in this temple.</p>
<p><strong>Sacred temple manifestations</strong></p>
<p>“So why is it that I have never experienced any of these kinds of sacred manifestations that the temple president described?”  As I expected, he thought for a few minutes while we continued to change back into our street clothes after the evening’s temple work was completed.  After a moment, he paused, put his hand on my shoulder and then responded very slowly and carefully.</p>
<p>“Brother Malone, some people do not require manifestations to be faithful.  The Lord knows their hearts and knows what they need.  You apparently do not need any additional evidence that the work being performed in these temples is valid and acceptable to both the Lord and to those for whom it is performed.  Your years of faithfulness are proof that you know the work is true.”</p>
<p><strong>The Lord bears witness</strong></p>
<p>He was right, of course.  I didn’t need a manifestation to know that the work being done in the <a title="Temples" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Temples">temples</a> is of eternal significance and validity.  I had known that since I was a child and had never doubted it.  I thought about his response and realized that there was never an occasion when I attended the temple that I didn’t feel the warmth and comfort of <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Holy_Ghost">the spirit of the Lord.</a></p>
<p>It was just another piece of evidence to me that the Spirit of the Lord is always present when <a title="Ordinances" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Ordinances">priesthood ordinances</a> are performed, especially in <a title="House of the Lord" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?index=20&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=b1747c2fc20b8010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">the House of the Lord</a>.  I didn’t need any additional evidence because I had the <a title="Gift of the Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gift_of_the_Holy_Ghost">constant companionship</a> of the Lord each time I sat in an endowment session or knelt across the <a title="Inside a Mormon Temple" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Inside_Mormon_Temples">altar in a sealing</a> session.  Yes, I knew the work was true.</p>
<p><strong>To uplift and edify</strong></p>
<p>I have the same kind of experience each week when I attend <a title="Sacrament meeting" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Sacrament_Meeting">Sacrament meeting</a>, and especially in a <a title="Testimony meeting" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Fast_and_Testimony_Meeting">testimony meeting</a>.  There is just something special about attending church each week and partaking of the <a title="Sacrament" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Sacrament">Sacrament</a>.  I just feel different by the end of the meeting.  I feel happy and feel that my burdens have been lifted.  It never fails.  I feel this strengthening each week after church.</p>
<p>This uplifting feeling is always the same whether I am conducting the meeting as a member of the <a title="Bishopric" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Bishopric">Bishopric</a>, or just sitting in the congregation as a regular member of the ward.  I love to hear members of my ward teach the gospel from the pulpit and share their feelings about the truth of what they have learned and have taught.  Sacrament meeting is always uplifting and edifying.</p>
<p><strong>Testimony meetings</strong></p>
<p>Last Sunday I sat in our monthly ward testimony meeting and thought about the different kinds of <a title="Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">testimonies</a> I was hearing.  The Bishop was short and succinct.  He bore witness of the <a title="Elder Oaks on Testimony" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=8502558fcc599110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">five basic points</a> of an LDS testimony and then sat down, inviting others to share their testimonies.  I got up and rambled a little bit about testimonies and then bore witness of the same five points.</p>
<p>As we progressed through the meeting, I noted that some members talked about experiences that demonstrated to them that the Lord knew them personally and that he hears and answers their <a title="Prayer" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Prayer">prayers</a>.  Others spoke about the <a title="Trials" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Trials">trials</a> through which they were passing and then concluded with assertions that they knew the Lord loved them would not leave them comfortless in their trials.</p>
<p><strong>When we say “I know”</strong></p>
<p>I listened very closely to each testimony waiting for the phrases “I know” and “I believe.”  I think I heard “I believe” maybe once or twice.  “I know” was used by the majority of those who shared their testimonies.  I know these people and know that when they say that they know that the church is true, and that the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a> is the word of God, they mean it sincerely.</p>
<p>I was listening closely because of <a title="There is no middle ground" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/there-is-no-middle-ground/">recent conversation</a> with readers of my blog about testimonies and what it means to say <a title="Only true and living church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">the church is true</a>.  I now try to qualify what I mean when I say that by adding some additional phrases like, “because <a title="Angels" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Angels">angels</a> conferred <a title="Keys of the Priesthood" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Keys_of_the_Priesthood">priesthood keys</a> upon the Prophet <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_Smith">Joseph Smith</a>,” and “because angels <a title="Ordination to the Priesthood" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Ordination_to_the_Priesthood">ordained</a> Joseph Smith and gave him priesthood authority.”</p>
<p><strong>Authority and the true church</strong></p>
<p>You see, this <a title="Authority" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Authority">authority</a> thing is very important to me.  I’ve had a lot of dialogs with visitors to Latter-day Commentary about this very important subject.  I’ve tried to share with them that the idea of priesthood authority is one of the most important aspects of a church that claims to be the true church of Jesus Christ.  Ordinances of <a title="Salvation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Salvation">salvation</a> require God’s authority to perform them.</p>
<p>That’s all we really mean when we say that we are the true church.  We are simply saying that angels came from the <a title="Spirit world" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Spirit_World">spirit world</a> and gave Joseph Smith divine permission to do what he did in establishing the Church of Jesus Christ upon the earth again in these latter days.  Of course, the idea that angels have visited man in our day is a very difficult thing for some people to accept.</p>
<p><strong>Angels, visions and revelation</strong></p>
<p>I have never seen an angel.  I have had no divine <a title="Visions" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Visions">vision</a> with my natural eyes.  I have never heard an audible voice from the spirit world. Yet I have never questioned that <a title="First Vision" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/First_Vision">Joseph Smith saw God</a>, was visited by <a title="Moroni" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Moroni">angels</a>, <a title="Doctrine and Covenants" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Doctrine_and_Covenants">received revelations</a> and brought forth the Book of Mormon by the <a title="D&amp;C 1:29" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/1/29#29">gift and power of God</a>.  Some of my readers find it fantastic that I can believe Joseph was a <a title="Mormon prophet" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_prophet">prophet</a>.</p>
<p>How is this possible?  On what basis do I stand and say “I know that God lives, that Jesus is the Christ, that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, that Joseph was a prophet and that this is the true church of Jesus Christ with a prophet at the head today?”  If I have not seen God or Jesus, and was not there when Joseph brought forth the Book or Mormon, <a title="What do Mormon's believe" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/What_do_Mormons_believe">how am I a witness</a>?</p>
<p><strong>Divine manifestations must have a purpose</strong></p>
<p>In all my years in this church, I don’t think I have ever met anyone who said to me, “Yes, I saw God.  He visited me and told me…”  I have never had someone say to me, “I was praying very earnestly one night and the Lord appeared to me to tell me that he loved me and that my sins were forgiven.”  I have also never heard anyone relate to me that they were visited by an angel.</p>
<p>Now perhaps you know people who have received such manifestations or maybe you have been the recipient of angelic visitations.  I think that’s wonderful.  I assume the visits had a purpose.  I guess I’ve never felt the need for divine manifestations beyond what I <a title="While at Rick's College" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-different-kind-of-religious-education/">have already received</a> when I was young as I prayed to know that the Book of Mormon was indeed the word of God.</p>
<p><strong>We live far beneath our privileges</strong></p>
<p>When I was seventeen I was extremely motivated to obtain a manifestation from God about my standing before him and to know if the Book of Mormon was what Joseph said it was.  I obtained both of those witnesses and <a title="Answered prayers before Mission" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-call-for-more-personal-revelation/">a few more</a> that the Lord felt were needed in order to help me fulfill my purpose in life.  I’ve been coasting on those manifestations for the past thirty-five years.</p>
<p>I’m wondering if I’ve been coasting too long.  Our former stake president, now serving as a mission president, often repeated this from <a title="Brigham Young" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Brigham_Young">Brigham Young</a>.  He said, “[We] may have the Spirit of the Lord to . . . direct [us]. . . . I am satisfied, however, that, in this respect, <a title="From Discourses of Brigham Young" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=71719c84f5d6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">we live far beneath our privileges</a>.&#8221;  Is there more the Lord wants us to have besides what he has already given us?</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>The Lord reveals himself to man when he has a purpose or a mission for them to perform.  He sends angels to instruct man and teach him about the work that he wants performed.  He sends his spirit to assure men and women that the work in which they are engaged is divine.  He gives <a title="Gifts of he spirit" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Gifts_of_the_Spirit">gifts of the spirit</a> to help us do his work.  For Joseph, one needed gift was the <a title="Gift of translation" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/5/4,30#4">power to translate</a>.</p>
<p>When I needed to know that the church and the Book of Mormon were of divine origin, the Lord sent his spirit and confirmed these things in my heart and mind.  Over the years, that same spirit has encouraged and motivated me to ever increasing faithfulness and obedience.  Is the Lord willing to provide additional manifestations, and if so, what is the purpose they would serve?</p>
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		<title>Shades of Grey and relative truth</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 1978, civil war broke out in Nicaragua, just after I left the country. My Mission President went from Costa Rica to Managua to help the missionaries get out of the country.  As he was literally leaving the chapel where he &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/shades_of_grey/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="President Muren Family" href="http://www.3tcm.net/PresMurenFamily.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-411" title="presmurenfamily" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/presmurenfamily-150x150.jpg" alt="presmurenfamily" width="150" height="150" /></a>In 1978, civil war broke out in <a title="Nicaragua" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua">Nicaragua</a>, just after I left the country. My <a title="Mission President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mission_President">Mission President</a> went from Costa Rica to Managua to help the missionaries get out of the country.  As he was literally leaving the <a title="Chapel" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Chapel">chapel</a> where he had told the missionaries to gather, the <a title="Sandinistas" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista">Sandinistas</a> came running in from the other door and stopped them.</p>
<p>Demanding to know what side of the conflict they were on, <a title="Joseph C. Muren" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Muren">President Muren</a> responded with the phrase, &#8220;tonos de gris,&#8221; which means shades of grey.  He did not stop but kept going right out the door and was able to get that group of Elders out of the country.  Gratefully, all the <a title="Missionaries" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Missionaries">missionaries</a> eventually made it safely out.</p>
<p><strong>Social or Cultural Mormons</strong></p>
<p>Can a person be a member of the <a title="Mormon" href="http://www.mormon.org">LDS faith</a> and not believe some of the <a title="Doctrine" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Doctrine">doctrine</a> or accept the <a title="Church History" href="http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/history">official story</a> of the <a title="Mormon History" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_history">history</a>?  Absolutely!  We call them social or <a title="Cultural Mormons" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Mormon">cultural Mormons</a> and there are countless numbers of them within the church.  Many of these kinds of members come from multi-generation <a title="Mormon Pioneers" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_Pioneers">pioneer</a> LDS families.</p>
<p>If you survey an average <a title="Mormon meetings" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_meetings">congregation</a> in the LDS faith, you will find that there are a surprising number who just don’t care about some of the doctrine and care even less about the history.  They are there because it is their family tradition and they derive satisfaction from the social interaction among good people that they know.</p>
<p><strong>Looking for the middle ground</strong></p>
<p>They feel uncomfortable when they hear <a title="Loyalty" href="http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-353-21,00.html">statements</a> from their leaders that the <a title="LDS Church" href="http://www.lds.org">LDS church</a> is either the <a title="Kingdom of God" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Kingdom_of_God">kingdom of God</a> or it is nothing.  When someone says that <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_Smith">Joseph Smith</a> was either God’s <a title="Mormon Prophet" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Prophet">prophet</a> or he was a great fraud, they feel unfairly pressured to have to put their view of the man in such black and white terms.</p>
<p>Isn’t there some <a title="There is no middle ground" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/there-is-no-middle-ground/">middle ground</a> where good people can participate in the Mormon faith without having to take sides about Joseph Smith, the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a>, the idea of <a title="Angels" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Angels">angels</a> visiting Joseph and the concept of <a title="Priesthood Keys" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Keys_of_the_Priesthood">priesthood keys</a> and <a title="Authority" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Authority">authority</a>?  There is so much good in the church.  Why does it have to be classified as <a title="True and Living Church" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/True_and_Living_Church">true</a>?</p>
<p><strong>The American Mormon culture</strong></p>
<p>There are many members of the LDS church who do not fit the stereotypical image of <a title="US Conservatism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States">conservative</a>, <a title="Orthodoxy" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy">orthodox</a>, <a title="Republican" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)">Republican</a>, <a title="White Collar" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-collar_worker">white-collar</a>, <a title="All American" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-American_(disambiguation)">all-American</a> family.  The church membership is actually quite diverse, especially as one travels outside the confines of the <a title="Intermountain West" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermountain_West">Intermountain West</a> where the church flourished and is the strongest.</p>
<p>Culturally, as a church and a people, we seem to have become stagnated in the mindset of the <a title="19th Century" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_Century">19th century</a> view of <a title="Mormonism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism">Mormonism</a> that still conflicts with the outside world.  The church is growing beyond the <a title="Mormon corridor" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Corridor">Mormon corridor</a> but is experiencing a sort of consolidation in the traditional strongholds of the faith – the center of <a title="Zion" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Zion">Zion</a>.</p>
<p><strong>The one true church</strong></p>
<p>Many good people who recognize this cultural myopia and <a title="Parochialism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parochialism">parochialism</a> that exists within the LDS faith have expanded their views and horizons beyond the <a title="Mores" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mores">mores</a> and restraints of the traditional, orthodox Mormon <a title="Worldview" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldview">worldview</a>.  There are so many good people out there that are doing great things to serve their local communities.</p>
<p>Because these <a title="Progressive Christianity" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Christianity">progressive</a> thinking people have expanded their views they have come in contact with different ways of thinking about the <a title="Religious Experience" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_experience">religious experience</a> and about their own Mormon upbringing.  The idea of belonging to <a title="One true church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">the one true church</a> has come to be offensive and difficult, if not impossible to defend in their minds.</p>
<p><strong>God’s chosen people</strong></p>
<p>They see and are embarrassed by what appears to be a contest of <a title="Right and wrong" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=4bd89209df38b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">right and wrong</a> between our zeal as <a title="Every member a missionary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Every_Member_a_Missionary">a missionary church</a> and the good people who are not already a part of the elect kingdom of God.  Whereas previously they were uncomfortable with a perceived <a title="Exclusivism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusivism">exclusivist</a> approach, they now are adamant that we are wrong.</p>
<p>We are <a title="Judgemental" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=2d0584d4a0a0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">judgmental</a>, they cry.  Why can’t we accept everybody else just the way they are?  Why are we trying to <a title="Convert" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Convert">convert</a> people when they are already happy and doing much good in their own faith?  The idea of rules for membership becomes chafing.  Why does the church have such high <a title="Standards of strength" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=347e7264d3b9c110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">standards</a> that drive people crazy?</p>
<p><strong>Pointing out the flaws and faults</strong></p>
<p>A large percentage of the LDS membership either does not know or does not care about some of the <a title="Troubling issues" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/general-authority-training-advanced-subjects/">troubling issues</a> of our early history and growth as a church.  It is frustrating to progressive thinkers that so many within the faith are not as well versed as they are on these issues and the supposed quandaries that they present.</p>
<p>So they become more vocal and <a title="Strident" href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/strident?rdfrom=Strident">strident</a> in pointing out the flaws and faults of the church and its leaders, both historical and current.  Their frustration increases when their audience either shrugs its collective shoulders or ignores their efforts to educate them on the problems that they see in the church.  How can they not care?</p>
<p><strong>Many faithful members do know</strong></p>
<p>While there are many who don’t know and don’t care, there are just as many who are very knowledgeable in the issues and problems that are troublesome to our <a title="Liberalism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism">liberal minded</a> members.  It’s just that we have found answers within our own hearts and minds many years ago that satisfy the potential <a title="Cognitive dissonance" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance">cognitive dissonance</a>.</p>
<p>We quietly go about our lives, secure and confident in the knowledge that we have found answers for the most important elements of our faith.  We invite others to taste of the peace that comes from knowing that there are answers and that there are many solid and bedrock truths upon which we can build our lives and our faith.</p>
<p><strong>Raise a warning voice</strong></p>
<p>For some reason, when we try to share our <a title="Certainty" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certainty">certainty</a> about the truths we have found, we are sometimes misunderstood to be <a title="Arrogance or hubris" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris">arrogant</a> or presenting our faith as superior or more complete than theirs.  Yes, if you invite someone to share in your happiness then you are presenting what you have found to be of great worth.</p>
<p>This is a difficult task to perform.  We are commanded to <a title="Declare the truth" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/75/1-5#1">raise our voices</a> to let the world know of the events pertaining to <a title="Church history chronology" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/chchrono/contents">the founding of our church</a>.  We have been asked to <a title="Warn your neighbor" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/88/81#81">be bold</a> in declaring that God has called <a title="Prophets" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Prophet">prophets</a> in our day and that he has sent <a title="Angels" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Angels">angels</a> to ordain and teach truths that have long been lost from the world.</p>
<p><strong>Some truths are not relative</strong></p>
<p>And thus we arrive at the heart of the conflict between orthodox conservative Mormons and progressive liberal Mormons.  What is <a title="Truth" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Truth">truth</a>?  Can one say with any degree of certainty that they have found the best and most complete source of truth without excluding the many other sources of truth that are found in the world?</p>
<p>Truth is reality. Some kinds of truth can only be received through <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelation</a>. I have never seen God or Jesus. I was not there when Joseph received the <a title="First Vision" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/First_Vision">First Vision</a>. So for me to be able to know those facts, they have to be revealed to me by the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a>.  Some truths are either <a title="Mystery of Godliness" href="http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6946">revealed of God</a> or they <a title="McConkie - relationship with God" href="http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843">remain unknown</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Truths received by revelation</strong></p>
<p>The five pillars of the <a title="LDS Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">LDS testimony</a> require revelation: God lives, Jesus is the Christ, the Savior called Joseph as a prophet, the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a> was brought forth by the <a title="Joseph has done more..." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/135/3#3">gift and power of God</a> and the church that Joseph established is authorized of God to administer the <a title="Ordinances" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ordinances">ordinances of salvation</a> that God requires.</p>
<p>Without <a title="Revelation" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Revelation">revelation</a> from the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a> we can’t say that we know these things. It’s just not logical. I have studied the Book of Mormon and the Church that claims to be God’s only church authorized to administer the ordinances of salvation. With revelation from the Holy Ghost I can say I know they are what they claim to be.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>In some things in life, it is wise to take a position characterized by my Mission President’s <a title="Missionaries and Sandinistas" href="http://www.3tcm.net/CivilWar.htm">response to the Sandinistas</a> – shades of grey.  We do not always know all the facts of some situations and should withhold judgment until a later time.  However, in some critical matters, we must take a position and know for ourselves.</p>
<p>It takes work and determination to obtain knowledge about the five pillars of an LDS <a title="Testimony" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Testimony">testimony</a>.  But I, and millions of others over the years, can say with great certainty that God does reveal knowledge about himself and his prophets to those who diligently seek it.  This revealed knowledge does not come in shades of grey.</p>
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		<title>The new Mormon history &#8211; Grant Palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just spent a very enjoyable afternoon listening to the podcasts of John Dehlin from a couple of years ago when he interviewed Grant Palmer, the author of An Insider&#8217;s View of Mormon Origins and The Incomparable Jesus. For those &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-new-mormon-history-grant-palmer/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/SDIrYGuvBKI/AAAAAAAAAd4/3izISZfg9e8/s1600-h/GrantPalmer.jpg"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5202268212689831074" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; WIDTH: 113px; CURSOR: pointer; HEIGHT: 137px" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/SDIrYGuvBKI/AAAAAAAAAd4/3izISZfg9e8/s200/GrantPalmer.jpg" border="0" /></a>I just spent a very enjoyable afternoon listening to the <a href="http://mormonstories.org/?p=92">podcasts</a> of <a href="http://johndehlin.com/">John Dehlin</a> from a couple of years ago when he interviewed <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Palmer">Grant Palmer</a>, the author of <a style="FONT-STYLE: italic" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Insider%27s_View_of_Mormon_Origins">An Insider&#8217;s View of Mormon Origins</a> and <a style="FONT-STYLE: italic" href="http://www.koffordbooks.com/ij.shtml">The Incomparable Jesus</a>. For those who don&#8217;t know, <a href="http://mormonmatters.org/author/admin/">John Dehlin</a> was the Executive Director of <a href="http://www.sunstonemagazine.com/">Sunstone Magazine</a>.</p>
<p>His brother is <a href="http://www.ldscio.org/">Joel Dehlin</a>, the CIO of <a href="http://www.lds.org/">The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints</a>. John spent several years <a href="http://mormonstories.org/?page_id=102">interviewing Mormon scholars</a> and publishing their interviews on the now defunct <a href="http://mormonstories.org/">Mormon Stories</a>. I think we are all very much indebted to John for the monumental work he completed over the years.</p>
<p>Grant Palmer spent 34 years as an employee of the <a href="http://www.ldsces.org/">Church Educational System</a>, or CES, before resigning shortly before the publication of his controversial book. Grant was a True Believing Mormon until the time of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Hofmann">Mark Hoffman</a> forgeries and murders in 1985. With an MA in History, Grant began an intensive study of early Mormon History for his PhD program.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Studying Mormon history</span></p>
<p>Now here&#8217;s where the story gets interesting. We are always encouraged by the Brethren to study the gospel. For various reasons, most members of the Church do not. Most are just too busy living their lives. Those who do have a serious study program eventually encounter what is now being called <span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">the </span><span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0); FONT-STYLE: italic">new</span><span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)"> Mormon history</span>. Don&#8217;t get confused. It really is the same history.</p>
<p>The problem is that it is new to those who are discovering it for the first time. As I have <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/04/multiple-versions-of-first-vision.html">written previously</a>, I am constantly amazed by the number of people who write how shocked they were when they discover some items in Mormon history that they did not know before. This is happening to new members and long time members of the church like Grant Palmer.</p>
<p>As Grant studied Mormon History he discovered what he called, <span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0); FONT-STYLE: italic">the rest of the story</span>. Even though he had been teaching orthodox church history all his life, he simply had not been exposed to some of the things that are not taught in the <a href="http://seminary.lds.org/">seminary</a> and <a href="http://www.ldsces.org/institute/index.asp">institute</a> program. It&#8217;s not that they are hidden. It&#8217;s just that they are not talked about openly in the church, even today.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">A faithful history</span></p>
<p>What is the difference between a <span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">faithful history</span> and a <span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">faith-promoting history</span>? There shouldn&#8217;t be any difference. A faithful history should report the events as they transpired, warts and all. This approach is respectful of the intelligence of the student of history, trusting them to be able to come to their own conclusions. A faith-promoting history may leave a few things out.</p>
<p>I think the church is getting better about acknowledging some aspects of our history that have previously been a bit obscure. I will always maintain that there has been no cover-up, but I know that the church has been very careful to ensure that what is presented by the missionaries and in our classrooms is faith-promoting. This may mean leaving some stuff untaught.</p>
<p>The problem of course is when the investigator, new member or even the missionary is handed a copy of Grant Palmer&#8217;s book or when they do their due diligence in researching the church on the Internet. The odds of finding faithful interpretations of history online are getting slimmer every day. That&#8217;s one reason why I have changed my blog to focus on these controversial issues.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Why this is difficult for some</span></p>
<p>Everyone who studies Mormon history has to come to some sort of conclusion how they are going to deal with this issue of discovering previously unknown and surprising things. I will always be eternally grateful for <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/04/mother-who-knew.html">a mother</a> who exposed me to these things at an early age. I read extensively from her library which included <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fawn_M._Brodie">Fawn Brodie</a>&#8216;s <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Man_Knows_My_History:_The_Life_of_Joseph_Smith"><span style="FONT-STYLE: italic">No Man Knows my History</span></a>.</p>
<p>When I first started reading blog entries and forum posts about <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/04/seer-stone-in-hat-book-of-mormon.html">peep stones</a> and <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2009/03/plural-wives-of-joseph-smith.html">Joseph&#8217;s multiple wives</a> I would scratch my head and wonder why it was such a big deal. Doesn&#8217;t everybody already know this stuff? Apparently not. When non-orthodox ideas about the origin of the Book or Mormon are discussed, it sometimes amuses me how worked up people can get.</p>
<p>I try to be understanding, really I do. I try to put myself in the place of the new investigator or new member who is reading this stuff for the first time. Sure, some of it seems really far-fetched and other parts are easy to misunderstand, especially where we don&#8217;t have the full story. I have come to the conclusion that some history students are missing something very important.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">The missing ingredient</span></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve thought long and hard about why this stuff doesn&#8217;t bother me. What do I have that others don&#8217;t that allows me to deal with this stuff without it affecting my testimony or my faith? I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m any different from any other life-long member of the Church. I don&#8217;t have any special claim to protection from the very convincing arguments of the intellectuals and scholars.</p>
<p>And why doesn&#8217;t this stuff bother the majority of the members of the church? Ignorance? I suppose that may be part of it. But when they are exposed to it, nothing detrimental happens. My wife is a perfect example. Just when I think I have found something in our history that nobody could interpret as being faith-promoting, she listens and quietly responds, &#8220;so what?&#8221;</p>
<p>What Carol and I have, and what most members of the church have that protects us from the doubts that can be caused by exposure to the <span style="COLOR: rgb(255,0,0)">non-Orthodox</span> <span style="FONT-STYLE: italic">new</span> Mormon history is <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/06/call-for-more-personal-revelation.html">revelation</a>. Our testimonies are not based on an intellectual understanding of things and they never were. There are things that our heart just knows even if they do not make sense to our minds.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Summary and conclusion</span></p>
<p>Now, I&#8217;m not saying that those who doubt their testimonies when they learn about these things haven&#8217;t experienced personal revelation. Wait, I guess I am. Am I saying that Grant Palmer has not experienced personal revelation about the way the church is presenting our history? I can&#8217;t speak for Grant. I enjoyed listening to his story first-hand. He sounds like a very nice person.</p>
<p>But I can say that I have specifically prayed about this issue and have received a comforting witness to my soul that the way the Brethren are handling our history is fine with me. I do not claim to know the mind or will of the Lord about how things may change in the future in this area. I trust the Brethren. I sustain them and believe they are doing the will of the Lord.</p>
<p>I have concluded that this is just one of those tests through which some people have to pass. The revelation of which I speak is not about the history. It is about trusting the Lord. It is about knowing that the prophet and apostles really do act on behalf of the Lord in directing the church. My testimony is not based on intellect alone. It may not be logical to some but it is real to me.</p>
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