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		<title>When prophets need to know</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a deep personal interest in the anticipated social response to the upcoming movie, 2012.  While it looks to be great entertainment from the fertile mind of Roland Emmerich, I am fascinated by the idea of how our society &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/when-prophets-need-to-know/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="Meteor over Indonesia" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUZrEaj87kc"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-513" title="meteorjatuh" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/meteorjatuh-150x150.jpg" alt="meteorjatuh" width="150" height="150" /></a>I have a deep personal interest in the anticipated social response to the <a title="Who will survive?" href="http://www.whowillsurvive2012.com/">upcoming movie, 2012</a>.  While it looks to be great entertainment from the fertile mind of <a title="Roland Emmerich" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roland_Emmerich">Roland Emmerich</a>, I am fascinated by the idea of how our society will react to some sort of a major catastrophic cataclysmic event like that depicted in the film.</p>
<p>I don’t go in for conspiracy theories that the government of the United States has a secret plan for the survival of the race.  I am certain that we have plans in place to ensure the <a title="Continuity of Government" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_of_government">continuity of the <em>government</em></a> in event of nuclear war or some other disaster, but the survival of the <em><strong>citizens</strong></em> of this country is a whole different matter.</p>
<p><strong>A wise investment</strong></p>
<p>As I get older, I take the idea of having a <a title="Food Storage" href="http://www.providentliving.org/channel/1,11677,1706-1,00.html">usable stockpile of food and water </a>much more seriously than when I was younger.  We have dipped into our food storage several times over the past few years as the grip of a tight economy has reached into our personal finances.  But I value my food storage for a different reason.</p>
<p>I am convinced that the day will come, in my lifetime, that we will not be able to leave our homes for extended periods of time in order to go out and buy food.  It could be due to a flu pandemic or perhaps social unrest, but I am more inclined to think that it will be from some sort of a plague that will keep us indoors for weeks.</p>
<p><strong>A prophecy of plagues</strong></p>
<p>Now there’s a word that you don’t hear thrown around much these days.  Do I mean a <a title="Black Death" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death">plague like the kind that decimated Europe</a> during the middle ages?  No.  How about a plague like the kind that caused so many deaths at the end of World War I – <a title="1918 Flu Pandemic" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic">the 1918 flu pandemic</a>?  No, I’m thinking of a different kind of plague.</p>
<p>Perhaps turning to the scriptures will bring it to a better light.  Let’s take a look at <a title="Revelations Chapter 8" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/rev/8">Revelations chapter eight</a>. There are several references to plagues contained in the next few chapters but <a title="Rev 8:7" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/rev/8/7#7">verse seven</a> describes the beginning of the plague to which I refer now.  What things fall to the earth when the first angel sounds his trumpet?</p>
<p><strong>Hail and fire and blood</strong></p>
<p>I’ve <a title="Prophets, Scholars and Burning Hail" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/prophets-scholars-and-burning-hail/">written about this previously</a>, but my interpretation of the phrase, “hail and fire mingled with blood” is this:  The hail is actually small stones or <a title="Meteorites" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meteorite">meteorites</a>.  The fire is a sticky, burning petroleum-like fluid found in the tail of comets. It is also known as <a title="Naphtha" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naphtha">naphtha</a>, a volatile and flammable liquid mixture of hydrocarbons.</p>
<p>The blood is a description of water of the earth mixed with a <a title="Red Sky" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/red-sky/">red dust</a> that is some form of <a title="Iron Oxide" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron(III)_oxide">ferric oxide</a>.  This red dust is water soluble, looks just like blood when it hits the water, and is highly toxic to life.  In addition, it is irritating to the skin and can cause a plague of microbes, insects and vermin to rapidly propagate in heat.</p>
<p><strong>Writings of Anthony Larson</strong></p>
<p>If this all sounds familiar, then you have read either the works of <a title="David Talbott" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Talbott">David Talbott</a>, <a title="Immanuel Velikovsky" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Velikovsky">Immanuel Velikovsky</a> or my friend and fellow blogger, <a title="Anthony Larson" href="http://www.mormonprophecy.com">Anthony Larson</a>.  My wife and I met with Anthony last week to talk about collaborating on a book idea that has been brewing in my head over the past little while as my wife has been recovering.</p>
<p>I like Anthony because he’s a bit of a controversial figure in the church.  He has written and published five books on the subject of the events of the very last days.  His explanations of the scriptures pertaining to the last days are not the orthodox and standard answers you will find in the commentaries of today’s LDS scholars.</p>
<p><strong>The prophecy trilogy</strong></p>
<p>In fact, his writings have been denounced by scientists at our religious institutions of higher learning, such as <a title="BYU" href="http://www.byu.edu">BYU</a>.  That doesn’t deter me.  I’m grateful for the gift of agency and the fact that the Lord allows us to choose what we want to believe about the scriptures, even if they don’t jive with conventional accepted teachings.</p>
<p>Is this a dangerous approach to learning?  I don’t think so.  The Lord tells us to <a title="1 Thes 5:21" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_thes/5/21#21">prove all things</a> and hold fast to that which is good.  I have been pondering what I have read in Anthony’s books for about twenty-five years since I first read his prophecy trilogy back in the 1980’s.  I have also prayed about what he has written.</p>
<p><strong>Other inspired men</strong></p>
<p>Now that may seem a little odd, different or downright dangerous in our LDS culture.  Why would you pray about what someone has written who is not a <a title="General Authority" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/General_Authorities">general authority</a>?  Why, that’s unthinkable, preposterous even! Don’t you know that you are on the road to apostasy if you listen to someone besides an <a title="Apostle" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Apostle">apostle</a>?</p>
<p>Yes, men can be deceived and we can all point to examples throughout history where good people have been proven fools to follow after the interpretations of the scriptures by men who were not authorized to speak on behalf of the Lord.  But that brings up an interesting question that I wonder if you have ever considered.</p>
<p><strong>Some prophets are experts</strong></p>
<p>Where do prophets turn when they need to know something about which they are not experts?  For example, when our apostles want to know facts about something in the medical world, I’ll bet they consult with <a title="Russell M Nelson" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-russell-m-nelson">Russell M. Nelson</a>, another of our apostles who just happens to be a medical doctor and renowned heart surgeon.</p>
<p>When they want to know something about the interpretation of law, there are several excellent choices among <a title="Dallin H Oaks" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-dallin-h-oaks">Elder Oaks</a>, <a title="Quesnin L Cook" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-quentin-l-cook">Elder Cook</a> or <a title="D Todd Christffherson" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-d-todd-christofferson">Elder Christofferson</a>.  For nuclear physics, they turn to <a title="Richard G Scott" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-richard-g-scott">Elder Scott</a>.  For managing a university, we have <a title="Henry B Eyring" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/president-henry-b-eyring">President Eyring</a>, <a title="Dallin H Oaks" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-dallin-h-oaks">Elder Oaks</a>, <a title="Jeffrey R Holland" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-jeffrey-r-holland">Elder Holland</a> and <a title="David A Bednar" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-david-a-bednar">Elder Bednar</a>, all great educators.</p>
<p><strong>Turning to the experts</strong></p>
<p>But what do they do when they want to understand <a title="Astrophysics" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophysics">astrophysics</a>?  To whom do the Brethren turn when they need help interpreting and explaining the events that are starting to concern and even frighten more and more of the world’s population, as the end times draw to a close?  Who will help our leaders explain all these things?</p>
<p>Why, they turn to the professors of <a title="Astronomy at BYU" href="http://astronomy.byu.edu/">astronomy at BYU</a> of course.  Or, if they’re not particularly fans of that institution – gasp! – then they turn to the smaller faculty at the <a title="Astronomy at the U of U" href="http://www.physics.utah.edu/astronomy/">University of Utah</a>.  I’m sure there are a myriad of faithful LDS scientists who can provide the needed background to explain meteorites and other scary things.</p>
<p><strong>Turning to the Lord</strong></p>
<p>You may ask, “Can’t they just turn to the Lord in prayer and receive the necessary knowledge to guide the people when the catastrophes that are prophesied to happen begin to come to pass in earnest?”  Of course you know they can.  The Lord can and will “<a title="Amos 3:7" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/amos/3/7#7">do nothing but he revealeth his secret to his servants the prophets</a>.”</p>
<p>But we are taught and believe that the Lord <a title="D&amp;C 9:8" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/9/8#8">requires us to do our homework</a> before he confirms to our hearts and minds that what we have studied and determined on a given subject is correct.  The apostles are no different from you and me when it comes to the right to receive <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelation</a>, though they understand the process better.</p>
<p><strong>Experts can be wrong</strong></p>
<p>The problem with turning to the experts in Astrophysics is that the most of them do not subscribe to the views of ancient prophets on the subject of how the planets and stars behave.  Things were different back then and there is no written record of how things really were.  They prefer to use current observations for their facts.</p>
<p>Yes, the idea that the heavens have always been the way we see them now is very much in vogue even among our LDS scientists.  The idea that the planets in our solar system could have once been in a different configuration sometime within the last four thousand years even is unthinkable and has no scientific basis for proof.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>Yep, Tim’s gone off his rocker.  He is claiming that scientists are wrong.  He’s gone off the deep end and thrown his cap in with the crowd of crazies who believe in <a title="Nibiru" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibiru_collision">planet X</a> and that <a title="2012 phenomenon" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_phenomenon">2012 is the end of the world</a>.  No, I don’t believe that, but I do believe that Anthony Larson has made more sense of things than most scientists.</p>
<p>So until an apostle or prophet comes out and says that Anthony Larson is wrong in his interpretation of the scriptures, I have decided to join forces with him and have committed to write and publish a work of fiction based on his research.  Call me crazy but I’m looking forward to the ride.  Stay tuned for the exciting adventures.</p>
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		<title>Spiritual experiences as a foundation for faith</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been intrigued by Blake Ostler’s 2007 FAIR conference presentation entitled, “Spiritual Experiences as the Basis for Belief and Commitment.”  I have read it several times and have decided that Blake is on to something that I would like &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/spiritual-experiences-as-a-foundation-for-faith/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-338" title="josephplates" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/josephplates-150x150.jpg" alt="josephplates" width="150" height="150" />I have been intrigued by <a title="Blake Ostler" href="http://www.blakeostler.com">Blake Ostler</a>’s 2007 <a title="FAIR" href="http://www.fairlds.org/">FAIR</a> conference <a title="Blake's essay FAIR 2007" href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2007_Spiritual_Experiences.html">presentation</a> entitled, “Spiritual Experiences as the Basis for Belief and Commitment.”  I have read it several times and have decided that Blake is on to something that I would like to develop further.  As you can see I have modified his title a little bit for use in my essay.  I highly recommend you read <a title="Blake's essay" href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2007_Spiritual_Experiences.html">his essay</a> first.</p>
<p>I’m going to focus on two points he made as he was answering questions towards the end of the presentation.  The first is this: “Memory, and what we do, is changed every time we think about it and remember it.”  The second is this: “All logic is <em>ex post facto</em> to prove what we already feel is true.”  Keep those points in mind as I advance some ideas on my experience with revelation.</p>
<p><strong>Youthful revelatory experiences</strong></p>
<p>Like Blake, I had some remarkable <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelatory experiences</a> when I was young that impressed me at the time but have impressed me even more as I have pondered and remembered them over the years.  I have written about them previously, but will list them here to provide some background.  Don’t think that these sacred events were easily obtained or casually absorbed.  They weren’t.</p>
<p>I was taught and believe that we <a title="Cannot live on borrowed light" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=9a7e945bd384b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1">cannot live on borrowed light</a>.  Throughout my <a title="Seminary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Seminary">Seminary</a> and <a title="Institute" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Institute">Institute</a> experience, I must have heard dozens of lessons on how vitally important it is to obtain our own <a title="Testimony" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Testimony">witness of the spirit</a> in order to remain committed to the church and the gospel in later years.  My teachers taught me and the spirit confirmed that I could receive <a title="Revelation" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Revelation">personal revelation</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Foundational spiritual events</strong></p>
<p>The first <a title="Rick's College experience" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-different-kind-of-religious-education/">revelatory experience</a> to which I’ll refer was obtained while I was a student at BYU Idaho.  I was seventeen years old and very immature but very impressed with a testimony I had heard that week from an Apostle of the Lord.  That weekend in my room I prayed fervently for many hours to know for myself that what he had said was true and important for me in my life.</p>
<p>The next impressive spiritual event in the development of my testimony was the next year when I was eighteen years old and preparing myself to serve a mission.  I have also shared this one in <a title="Personal revelation" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-call-for-more-personal-revelation/">a previous essay</a>.  The experience was equally as impressive as the first one though it was perhaps deeper in meaning and implication.  These are part of my early foundational spiritual memories.</p>
<p><strong>Deep impact on my faith</strong></p>
<p>These were not my only youthful revelatory experiences.  I have recorded several others in my journals that came almost unbidden during the years before my mission.  Although I received them as a result of prayer, the effort was not as intense.  In other words, I did not pray for many hours or fast for days to obtain the other experiences.  Nevertheless, they were just as powerful.</p>
<p>Because of these events, I was able to go through the difficult and rigorous experience of <a title="My missionary experience" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-teaching-and-testifying-missionary/">serving as a missionary</a> without looking back and wondering why I decided to sacrifice like that for two years.  I had these sacred memories burning in my heart and being added unto with additional everyday assurances from the Lord that I was engaged in his work and that he was appreciative.</p>
<p><strong>Working with imperfect people</strong></p>
<p>Life marches on.  An education is obtained, a <a title="My marriage" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-sacred-power-of-marriage/">marriage</a> is solemnized in the temple, a family is raised and increasing responsibilities in a career and in the church are rewarding and fulfilling.  As sometimes happens, I begin to learn things about my faith, and especially about the people in it that are at first disturbing and then disappointing.  I experience some logical inconsistencies.</p>
<p><a title="Cognitive Dissonance" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance">Cognitive dissonance</a> can be a painful experience when it includes people from our world who are in authoritative positions.  For example, a beloved <a title="Bishop" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bishop">bishop</a> from my youth became inactive after he was released.  How could this happen?  He represented the Lord to me in interviews that I held sacred.  He helped me resolve several youthful problems and encouraged me to be faithful.</p>
<p><strong>Imperfections even at high levels</strong></p>
<p>Another bishop from my youth is disciplined after fiscal improprieties in his business dealings are revealed.  I learn of divorces of people whom I admired, some of whom were influential in my youth.  I then begin to learn of difficulties in higher levels of the church – stake presidents who lose their testimonies and announce to their congregations that they are leaving the faith.</p>
<p>A <a title="George P Lee" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_P._Lee">promising general authority</a> is excommunicated for breaking the law of chastity.  I discover that an <a title="Richard R. Lyman" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_R._Lyman">apostle was excommunicated</a> for this very same reason less than forty years earlier.  How is this possible – a modern apostle excommunicated?  I can understand it happening in the early days of the church but not in our day and age.  These are men of God.  Tell me this wasn’t so!</p>
<p><strong>Sacred things exposed and mocked</strong></p>
<p>I discovered that a former ordinance worker in the temple had recorded the temple ceremony and then published it.  How could he do that?  I hold the temple sacred and have enjoyed so many wonderful experiences there over the years.  What could cause him to lose his faith and reveal something that means so much to me?  Did he never have any spiritual experiences of his own?</p>
<p>From the earliest days of the church there have been those who have not been impressed with the sacred nature of the temple and have exposed things that they have covenanted to keep sacred.  In our day there are those who claim to have received the <a title="Second Annointing" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_anointing">second anointing</a> and then describe it on the message boards of those who hate the church.  Something’s not right with this picture.</p>
<p><strong>Not all members receive revelation</strong></p>
<p>I used to think that everybody in the church had spiritual experiences similar to those I enjoyed in my youth.  Over the years, I have come to realize that this is not the case.  Can that be true even for those who have served as bishops, <a title="Stake President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake_President">stake presidents</a> or even <a title="General Authority" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/General_Authority">general authorities</a>?  In my opinion, yes &#8211; personal experience has shown this to be so.  Not all members receive revelation.</p>
<p>That has been an amazing thing for me to contemplate.  Was I just extremely lucky or blessed to believe that I could receive revelation when I was so young?  Several visitors to my blog over the years have tried to convince me that I did not receive revelation.  They have suggested that what I experienced was a form of self-hypnosis, or simply the effect of a frenzied, emotional state.</p>
<p><strong>Memories can be enlarged</strong></p>
<p>Back to Blake’s two points, memory first.  I have come to realize that although my early spiritual experiences occurred nearly thirty-five years ago, they are clearer in my mind now then when I first experienced them.  The combination of pondering them and writing about them has helped me to understand that there was much more detail in the experiences than what I first thought.</p>
<p>As Blake pointed out in his essay, this helps me to understand why Joseph Smith could recount the same <a title="First Vision" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/First_Vision">First Vision</a> experience differently in <a title="Multiple accounts of First Vision" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/multiple-versions-of-the-first-vision/">each of the accounts</a> he relates over the years.  I was so focused on determining my own standing before God in my first youthful manifestation that I had overlooked how deeply and powerfully the Lord spoke to me about missionary labors.</p>
<p><strong>How to explain all this</strong></p>
<p>Blake’s second point was that all logic is created to prove what we already feel is true.  I have had prima facia experiences that overrule any logical inconsistencies I have encountered in what I have learned about the history and people of this church as I have studied it in more depth.  In effect, I have not really experienced cognitive dissonance at all because the spiritual trumps logical.</p>
<p>Let me restate that.  My spiritual revelatory experiences with the Holy Ghost early in my life have proven to be so powerful that it seems that no matter what kind of troubling things I may learn about the men who run or have run this church, I feel inoculated and immune to their effect.  My evangelical friends call this “living in the protective Mormon bubble of a testimony.”</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>My experiences with the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a> are not going to be the same as yours.  They may be similar or they may be completely different.  For me, these revelatory events in my youth have provided a foundation for my experiences in this church thus far.  I have encountered much imperfection and weakness in the men who run it, but the spiritual witnesses of my life have protected me.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that I continue to believe that the <a title="LDS Church" href="http://www.lds.org">LDS Church</a> is what it claims to be when it was setup through the prophet Joseph Smith <a title="Organization of the church" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Organization_of_the_Church%2C_1830">in 1830</a>.  The simple fact is that we can know this for ourselves through revelatory encounters with the Holy Ghost.  No matter what negative things I discover, nothing can overcome the strength of that personal witness if I remain worthy.</p>
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<p>Note about the illustration: This artist&#8217;s conception of Joseph translating the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a> is one that is highly criticized by some members of the church.  They feel it is disingenuous because it does not show Joseph using the <a title="Seer stone in a hat" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/seer-stone-in-a-hat-book-of-mormon-translation/">seer stones in the hat</a>.  It also shows the plates in plain view of Oliver which was not the case.  Joseph was not to show them to anyone unless commanded of the Lord.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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<p>OK, you’ve completed all the prerequisite training and life experiences to prepare you for basic <a title="General Authority" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/General_Authority">General Authority</a> service.  You’ve been a <a title="Missionary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_missionaries">missionary</a>, a <a title="Bishop" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bishop">bishop</a>, a <a title="Stake President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake_President">stake president</a> and have just returned from your latest assignment as a <a title="Mission President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mission_President">mission president</a>.  You’re somewhat financially stable and are now ready for the real challenge of a call to serve in one of the <a title="Seventy" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Seventy">Quorums of the Seventy</a>.</p>
<p>You’ve been active and faithful in the church all your life and have a deep and abiding testimony of the <a title="The Gospel" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gospel">restored gospel</a> of Jesus Christ.  You have enjoyed success and found great joy in helping others come to a knowledge of the Lord through your missionary labors.  You’re proven to be a gifted administrator in the <a title="Priesthood" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Priesthood">priesthood</a>.  You love to study the <a title="Scriptures" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Scriptures">scriptures</a> and to teach the gospel.</p>
<p><strong>Responding to difficult questions</strong></p>
<p>The <a title="Brethren" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Brethren">Brethren</a> have decided that all potential General Authorities must now take some additional classes prior to receiving the call.  While we are a <a title="Lay Ministry" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Lay_Participation_and_Leadership">lay ministry</a>, it is important that those who are called into positions that represent the church have skills developed in responding to difficult questions.  You know the ones I’m talking about.  <a title="President Hinckley" href="http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/presidents/controllers/potcController.jsp?leader=15&amp;topic=facts">President Hinckley</a> was asked some of them.</p>
<p>Since you are on that potential General Authority list, you have been selected to participate in this class.  In order to ensure that the training is effective, we have selected some real-world examples of the kind of questions you can expect to encounter.  While you may have had no experience in studying church history, you will most certainly be asked questions like these.</p>
<p><strong>The really hard list</strong></p>
<p>1. <a title="Joseph Smith polygamy" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-plural-wives-of-joseph-smith/">Joseph Smith polygamy</a> and polyandry – why didn’t we know about this?<br />
2. Book of Mormon translation &#8211; <a title="Seer stone in a hat" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/seer-stone-in-a-hat-book-of-mormon-translation/">Peep stone in a hat</a> vs. Urim &amp; Thummim<br />
3. Why are there <a title="First Vision" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/multiple-versions-of-the-first-vision/">multiple versions</a> of Joseph Smith&#8217;s First Vision story?<br />
4. Why did the <a title="Three Witnesses" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Three_Witnesses">three witnesses</a> of the Book of Mormon leave the church?<br />
5. Why is there no real <a title="Book of Mormon archaelogy" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Archaeology">archeological evidence</a> for the Book of Mormon?</p>
<p>6. <a title="DNA Evidence Book of Mormon" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/changes-to-the-book-of-mormon/">DNA evidence</a> proved that American Indians have no Israelite blood.<br />
7. Egyptian scholars have proven that the <a title="Book of Abraham" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/objections-to-the-book-of-abraham/">Book of Abraham</a> is a fraud.<br />
8. Did Joseph Smith take the Temple ceremony from the <a title="Joseph was a Mason" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/joseph-smith-was-a-mason-so-what/">Masons</a>?<br />
9. Could a real prophet have been deceived by the <a title="Kinderhook plates" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Kinderhook_plates">Kinderhook plates</a>?<br />
10. That is so exclusionary of us to claim to be the <a title="Only true church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">only true church</a>.</p>
<p>11. Did Brigham Young teach that <a title="Adam God theory" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/adam-god-theory-gets-attention-again/">Adam was God</a> and if so, why?<br />
12. Do we currently teach that <a title="God was once a man" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/man-of-holiness-is-his-name/">God was once a man</a> like we are?<br />
13. How can we really believe that <a title="Man can become a God" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mormon-visitors-from-outer-space/">man can become a God</a>?<br />
14. How could the <a title="Mountain Meadows massacre" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mountain-meadows-massacre-in-the-news-again/">Mountain Meadows Massacre</a> have happened?<br />
15. Why did the church practice <a title="Post manifesto plural marriage" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/no-such-thing-as-mormon-fundamentalism/">polygamy</a> after the 1890 manifesto?</p>
<p>16. Your church seems racist.  Why delay giving <a title="Blacks and priesthood" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Blacks">priesthood to blacks</a>?<br />
17. Why did President Hinckley <a title="I don't know that we teach it" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/i-dont-know-that-we-teach-it/">deny that we teach</a> long-held doctrines?<br />
18. How was President Hinckley deceived by the <a title="Mark Hoffman" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mark_Hoffman">Mark Hoffman</a> forgeries?<br />
19. Why do Mormons believe that <a title="Spiritual brotherhood" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-doctrine-of-spiritual-brotherhood/">Lucifer and Jesus Christ are brothers</a>?<br />
20. There are documented cases of <a title="Spiritual abuse" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Alliance">spiritual abuse</a> by priesthood leaders.</p>
<p>21. Why is the church opposed to work of <a title="September six" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Six">LDS scholars and intellectuals</a>?<br />
22. Why did the church cover up <a title="President Benson Alzheimers" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/when-a-prophet-gets-alzheimers-disease/">President Benson&#8217;s Alzheimer’s</a> disease?<br />
23. How can the true Church of Jesus Christ reject <a title="Do Mormons haye gays?" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/do-mormons-hate-gays/">those who are gay</a>?<br />
24. Why has <a title="LDS Church growth" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mormon-church-is-not-the-fastest-growing/">church growth stopped</a> in the U.S. – baptisms decreasing?<br />
25. How can the LDS claim to be the true church with <a title="Church growth slows" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/lds-church-growth-slows-in-united-states/">so few members</a>?</p>
<p><strong>Effect of the questions</strong></p>
<p>These are legitimate questions raised over the years that can be found today <a title="Rough Stone Rolling" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/smoothing-down-that-rough-stone-rolling/">all over the Internet</a>.  Many of our young people are asked these questions by their friends on a regular basis.  They are not being malicious or trying to cause problems.  They simply want answers.  Even though they are difficult questions, some have studied them out in an effort to be able to provide the answers.</p>
<p>Sometimes they have discovered that even long-time members have never heard these questions.  They have been told by well-meaning leaders to just pray about it and they will get their answers.  But there is so much confusing information out there and no official LDS source that addresses these questions that they become discouraged and <a title="How to stay LDS" href="http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html">begin to doubt</a> their testimonies of the church.</p>
<p><strong>Rules of engagement</strong></p>
<p>Your assignment as a new General Authority is to address these questions in a manner that <a title="Build faith and encourage study" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=e567759235d0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1">builds faith and encourages continued study</a>.  You must not act surprised if you have never heard any of these questions before or don’t understand why they seem so important to those who are asking.  And you certainly don’t want to be dismissive of those who are bothered by these questions.</p>
<p>You must not defer them to others, claiming that “we have <a title="FAIR" href="http://www.fairlds.org/">apologists</a> who answer this stuff for us.”  That won’t cut it.  You’re now a General Authority and need to know the answers yourself.  Yes, it’s true that most members of the church have never heard these questions and don’t know that these are issues for some.  And yes, some members would be shocked to learn about all this.</p>
<p><strong>The challenge</strong></p>
<p>So your challenge is great.  How do you answer these questions without causing <a title="Doubt and testimony" href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Testimony_and_doubt_reconciliation">confusion or doubt</a> among the faithful members who do not question?  How do you respond to the one as the Savior taught?  Those who struggle with these questions are a relatively small number and yet they are very active on the Internet, where many people seek information on the church today.</p>
<p>At the same time, focusing on these questions and taking the time to research them, understand them and to be able to explain them is time consuming.  It takes away from one of the primary missions of the church to declare the gospel.  And yet, it fulfills another part of that mission by perfecting the saints.  Most of these questions are raised by <a title="DAMU" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/dealing-with-anti-mormon-attacks/">disaffected and former members</a>.</p>
<p><strong>A possible response</strong></p>
<p>It seems that we have failed a generation of bright and intelligent young people who have grown up on the Internet.  We did not anticipate what this amazing communication medium could do to supply facts and details about our history and doctrine.  It’s not that we’ve been purposely trying to hide anything from you. It’s just that you have been exposed to stuff earlier than we figured.</p>
<p>We wish it had been otherwise.  We would have preferred that you had knowledgeable mentors to guide you through your discovery of all these difficult issues.  We were aware of them and decided not to share them or at least not promote discussion of them in the church <a title="Church curriculum" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Curriculum">curriculum</a>.  We are seeing now that this may have been a mistake.  It was not our intention to deceive you.</p>
<p><strong>Personal responsibility</strong></p>
<p>We understand that many of you have felt shocked and betrayed when you first learn about these things.  Please don’t lose faith in the entire <a title="CES" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Church_Educational_System">church teaching system</a> that has brought you to the point you are now.  We should have found a way to inoculate you before you encountered these troublesome issues but were concerned that exposing you to them early could also be disastrous.</p>
<p>Please accept our apologies for not teaching you about these things in a more open and honest manner.  We accept the responsibility for our failings in this area and will work harder in the future to ensure that the upcoming generation does not have to suffer what you went through.  But we hope that you will also be just as responsible for your own <a title="Church History" href="http://www.lds.org/churchhistory">church history education</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>This is obviously just a thought exercise.  Please don’t seriously think that my ponderings here have anything to do with the reality of the way the church is responding to this problem.  You may legitimately wonder if some leaders in the church are even aware that this problem exists.  Perhaps those that are aware feel just as frustrated as you that we don’t address it more openly.</p>
<p>For those that have struggled or are struggling with questions like those I have listed, please be aware that there are many thousands of us who have faced and answered the same questions.  We recognize their potential impact to destroy faith, but have found that <a title="God is faithful" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_cor/10/13#13">God is faithful</a> and will send peace to the troubled heart.  Sometimes satisfactory answers will only come over the test of time.</p>
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