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		<title>Shades of Grey and relative truth</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 1978, civil war broke out in Nicaragua, just after I left the country. My Mission President went from Costa Rica to Managua to help the missionaries get out of the country.  As he was literally leaving the chapel where he &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/shades_of_grey/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="President Muren Family" href="http://www.3tcm.net/PresMurenFamily.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-411" title="presmurenfamily" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/presmurenfamily-150x150.jpg" alt="presmurenfamily" width="150" height="150" /></a>In 1978, civil war broke out in <a title="Nicaragua" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua">Nicaragua</a>, just after I left the country. My <a title="Mission President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mission_President">Mission President</a> went from Costa Rica to Managua to help the missionaries get out of the country.  As he was literally leaving the <a title="Chapel" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Chapel">chapel</a> where he had told the missionaries to gather, the <a title="Sandinistas" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista">Sandinistas</a> came running in from the other door and stopped them.</p>
<p>Demanding to know what side of the conflict they were on, <a title="Joseph C. Muren" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Muren">President Muren</a> responded with the phrase, &#8220;tonos de gris,&#8221; which means shades of grey.  He did not stop but kept going right out the door and was able to get that group of Elders out of the country.  Gratefully, all the <a title="Missionaries" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Missionaries">missionaries</a> eventually made it safely out.</p>
<p><strong>Social or Cultural Mormons</strong></p>
<p>Can a person be a member of the <a title="Mormon" href="http://www.mormon.org">LDS faith</a> and not believe some of the <a title="Doctrine" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Doctrine">doctrine</a> or accept the <a title="Church History" href="http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/history">official story</a> of the <a title="Mormon History" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_history">history</a>?  Absolutely!  We call them social or <a title="Cultural Mormons" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Mormon">cultural Mormons</a> and there are countless numbers of them within the church.  Many of these kinds of members come from multi-generation <a title="Mormon Pioneers" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_Pioneers">pioneer</a> LDS families.</p>
<p>If you survey an average <a title="Mormon meetings" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_meetings">congregation</a> in the LDS faith, you will find that there are a surprising number who just don’t care about some of the doctrine and care even less about the history.  They are there because it is their family tradition and they derive satisfaction from the social interaction among good people that they know.</p>
<p><strong>Looking for the middle ground</strong></p>
<p>They feel uncomfortable when they hear <a title="Loyalty" href="http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-353-21,00.html">statements</a> from their leaders that the <a title="LDS Church" href="http://www.lds.org">LDS church</a> is either the <a title="Kingdom of God" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Kingdom_of_God">kingdom of God</a> or it is nothing.  When someone says that <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_Smith">Joseph Smith</a> was either God’s <a title="Mormon Prophet" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Prophet">prophet</a> or he was a great fraud, they feel unfairly pressured to have to put their view of the man in such black and white terms.</p>
<p>Isn’t there some <a title="There is no middle ground" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/there-is-no-middle-ground/">middle ground</a> where good people can participate in the Mormon faith without having to take sides about Joseph Smith, the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a>, the idea of <a title="Angels" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Angels">angels</a> visiting Joseph and the concept of <a title="Priesthood Keys" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Keys_of_the_Priesthood">priesthood keys</a> and <a title="Authority" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Authority">authority</a>?  There is so much good in the church.  Why does it have to be classified as <a title="True and Living Church" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/True_and_Living_Church">true</a>?</p>
<p><strong>The American Mormon culture</strong></p>
<p>There are many members of the LDS church who do not fit the stereotypical image of <a title="US Conservatism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States">conservative</a>, <a title="Orthodoxy" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy">orthodox</a>, <a title="Republican" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)">Republican</a>, <a title="White Collar" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-collar_worker">white-collar</a>, <a title="All American" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-American_(disambiguation)">all-American</a> family.  The church membership is actually quite diverse, especially as one travels outside the confines of the <a title="Intermountain West" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermountain_West">Intermountain West</a> where the church flourished and is the strongest.</p>
<p>Culturally, as a church and a people, we seem to have become stagnated in the mindset of the <a title="19th Century" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_Century">19th century</a> view of <a title="Mormonism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism">Mormonism</a> that still conflicts with the outside world.  The church is growing beyond the <a title="Mormon corridor" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Corridor">Mormon corridor</a> but is experiencing a sort of consolidation in the traditional strongholds of the faith – the center of <a title="Zion" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Zion">Zion</a>.</p>
<p><strong>The one true church</strong></p>
<p>Many good people who recognize this cultural myopia and <a title="Parochialism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parochialism">parochialism</a> that exists within the LDS faith have expanded their views and horizons beyond the <a title="Mores" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mores">mores</a> and restraints of the traditional, orthodox Mormon <a title="Worldview" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldview">worldview</a>.  There are so many good people out there that are doing great things to serve their local communities.</p>
<p>Because these <a title="Progressive Christianity" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Christianity">progressive</a> thinking people have expanded their views they have come in contact with different ways of thinking about the <a title="Religious Experience" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_experience">religious experience</a> and about their own Mormon upbringing.  The idea of belonging to <a title="One true church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">the one true church</a> has come to be offensive and difficult, if not impossible to defend in their minds.</p>
<p><strong>God’s chosen people</strong></p>
<p>They see and are embarrassed by what appears to be a contest of <a title="Right and wrong" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=4bd89209df38b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">right and wrong</a> between our zeal as <a title="Every member a missionary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Every_Member_a_Missionary">a missionary church</a> and the good people who are not already a part of the elect kingdom of God.  Whereas previously they were uncomfortable with a perceived <a title="Exclusivism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusivism">exclusivist</a> approach, they now are adamant that we are wrong.</p>
<p>We are <a title="Judgemental" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=2d0584d4a0a0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">judgmental</a>, they cry.  Why can’t we accept everybody else just the way they are?  Why are we trying to <a title="Convert" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Convert">convert</a> people when they are already happy and doing much good in their own faith?  The idea of rules for membership becomes chafing.  Why does the church have such high <a title="Standards of strength" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=347e7264d3b9c110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">standards</a> that drive people crazy?</p>
<p><strong>Pointing out the flaws and faults</strong></p>
<p>A large percentage of the LDS membership either does not know or does not care about some of the <a title="Troubling issues" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/general-authority-training-advanced-subjects/">troubling issues</a> of our early history and growth as a church.  It is frustrating to progressive thinkers that so many within the faith are not as well versed as they are on these issues and the supposed quandaries that they present.</p>
<p>So they become more vocal and <a title="Strident" href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/strident?rdfrom=Strident">strident</a> in pointing out the flaws and faults of the church and its leaders, both historical and current.  Their frustration increases when their audience either shrugs its collective shoulders or ignores their efforts to educate them on the problems that they see in the church.  How can they not care?</p>
<p><strong>Many faithful members do know</strong></p>
<p>While there are many who don’t know and don’t care, there are just as many who are very knowledgeable in the issues and problems that are troublesome to our <a title="Liberalism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism">liberal minded</a> members.  It’s just that we have found answers within our own hearts and minds many years ago that satisfy the potential <a title="Cognitive dissonance" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance">cognitive dissonance</a>.</p>
<p>We quietly go about our lives, secure and confident in the knowledge that we have found answers for the most important elements of our faith.  We invite others to taste of the peace that comes from knowing that there are answers and that there are many solid and bedrock truths upon which we can build our lives and our faith.</p>
<p><strong>Raise a warning voice</strong></p>
<p>For some reason, when we try to share our <a title="Certainty" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certainty">certainty</a> about the truths we have found, we are sometimes misunderstood to be <a title="Arrogance or hubris" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris">arrogant</a> or presenting our faith as superior or more complete than theirs.  Yes, if you invite someone to share in your happiness then you are presenting what you have found to be of great worth.</p>
<p>This is a difficult task to perform.  We are commanded to <a title="Declare the truth" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/75/1-5#1">raise our voices</a> to let the world know of the events pertaining to <a title="Church history chronology" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/chchrono/contents">the founding of our church</a>.  We have been asked to <a title="Warn your neighbor" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/88/81#81">be bold</a> in declaring that God has called <a title="Prophets" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Prophet">prophets</a> in our day and that he has sent <a title="Angels" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Angels">angels</a> to ordain and teach truths that have long been lost from the world.</p>
<p><strong>Some truths are not relative</strong></p>
<p>And thus we arrive at the heart of the conflict between orthodox conservative Mormons and progressive liberal Mormons.  What is <a title="Truth" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Truth">truth</a>?  Can one say with any degree of certainty that they have found the best and most complete source of truth without excluding the many other sources of truth that are found in the world?</p>
<p>Truth is reality. Some kinds of truth can only be received through <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelation</a>. I have never seen God or Jesus. I was not there when Joseph received the <a title="First Vision" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/First_Vision">First Vision</a>. So for me to be able to know those facts, they have to be revealed to me by the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a>.  Some truths are either <a title="Mystery of Godliness" href="http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6946">revealed of God</a> or they <a title="McConkie - relationship with God" href="http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843">remain unknown</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Truths received by revelation</strong></p>
<p>The five pillars of the <a title="LDS Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">LDS testimony</a> require revelation: God lives, Jesus is the Christ, the Savior called Joseph as a prophet, the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a> was brought forth by the <a title="Joseph has done more..." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/135/3#3">gift and power of God</a> and the church that Joseph established is authorized of God to administer the <a title="Ordinances" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ordinances">ordinances of salvation</a> that God requires.</p>
<p>Without <a title="Revelation" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Revelation">revelation</a> from the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a> we can’t say that we know these things. It’s just not logical. I have studied the Book of Mormon and the Church that claims to be God’s only church authorized to administer the ordinances of salvation. With revelation from the Holy Ghost I can say I know they are what they claim to be.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>In some things in life, it is wise to take a position characterized by my Mission President’s <a title="Missionaries and Sandinistas" href="http://www.3tcm.net/CivilWar.htm">response to the Sandinistas</a> – shades of grey.  We do not always know all the facts of some situations and should withhold judgment until a later time.  However, in some critical matters, we must take a position and know for ourselves.</p>
<p>It takes work and determination to obtain knowledge about the five pillars of an LDS <a title="Testimony" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Testimony">testimony</a>.  But I, and millions of others over the years, can say with great certainty that God does reveal knowledge about himself and his prophets to those who diligently seek it.  This revealed knowledge does not come in shades of grey.</p>
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		<title>Fighting against the work of the Lord</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the reasons I started this blog was to provide personal motivation for gospel study. I like to think that by sharing insights and commentary on some aspect of the gospel in written form, that it becomes clearer to &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/fighting-against-the-work-of-the-lord/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/SQgVkvZiGLI/AAAAAAAAApQ/zO7t-5Mi5FM/s1600-h/HomerDevilAngel.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer; width: 137px; height: 142px;" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/SQgVkvZiGLI/AAAAAAAAApQ/zO7t-5Mi5FM/s200/HomerDevilAngel.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5262479885525457074" border="0" /></a>One of the reasons I started this blog was to provide personal motivation for gospel study.  I like to think that by sharing insights and commentary on some aspect of the gospel in written form, that it becomes clearer to me and solidifies my thinking.  This is the same reason I always get more out of a talk or a lesson that I prepare – because of the hours of study behind the summary.</p>
<p>I’ll warn you up front that this essay is going to be a little bit deep and perhaps a little out there, even for me.  If you’ve been following my blog you know that I have tackled a few subjects that might be considered controversial.  I’ve tried to address a lot of the things that I have read about in the <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/09/mormons-ex-post-anti-and-new-order.html">Ex-Mormon</a> and <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/04/five-kinds-of-non-mormons.html">Anti-Mormon</a> websites, mainly because I wondered how I would answer.</p>
<p>I’ll cut right to the point.  We believe that one of the purposes of this life is to prove to ourselves and to the Lord that we are on his side when it comes to the fight against evil.  Right now, a very visible part of that fight is centered in <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/07/why-church-is-involved-in-prop-8.html">Proposition 8</a> in California.  <a href="http://voice-of-deseret.blogspot.com/">Voice of Deseret</a> wondered in <a href="http://voice-of-deseret.blogspot.com/2008/10/is-california-proposition-8-putting-lds.html">a recent essay</a> if LDS opponents of the initiative should resign their membership in the church.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Administrative action removes membership</span></p>
<p>Some may not be aware that membership in the LDS Church can be easily terminated by a simple administrative action.  You simply write a letter to the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Bishop">Bishop</a> explaining that you would like to have your name removed from the records of the church.  The bishop has the ward clerk fill out the appropriate form, attach the letter and send it off to Salt Lake.  That’s it.  You’re out.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.blogger.com/profile/04565490671305903727">Deseret Dawg</a> was immediately taken to task for suggesting such a course of action.  I can tell you from my own knowledge that there are some faithful members of the church who will vote no on Proposition 8 next week.  The Bishop will not take away <a href="http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/temples/temple_recommend.html">temple recommends</a> and they will not be labeled bad people or anti-family.  We are not forced to participate in the yes campaign.</p>
<p>But what about those people like <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/09/excommunication-is-just-not-worth-it.html">Andrew Callahan</a> who choose not to go the administrative action route and forced the church to proceed with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disciplinary_council">disciplinary action</a> because of his very vocal and active fight against the church on this issue?  Wouldn’t it have been better for him to simply resign his membership?  What has caused him and others to fight so hard against the church?</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Doubt, dissent and apostasy</span></p>
<p>Deseret Dawg writes about those members of the church who fight against the <a href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/california-and-same-sex-marriage">First Presidency request</a> that we give of our time and means to ensure the passage of <a href="http://www.protectmarriage.com/">Proposition 8</a>.  He then goes on to discuss a little bit about <a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Apostasy">apostasy</a> and becoming a<a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Sons_of_Perdition"> son of perdition</a>.  However, I don’t think he fully develops the point, probably because it was in the concluding section of his essay.</p>
<p>I’d like to investigate that a little more.  What does it mean to fight against the work of the Lord?  Just how far is too far in expressing dissent and opposing the leadership of the church?  I had an interesting dialog with <a href="http://www.paultoscano.com/">Paul Toscano</a>, part of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Six">September Six</a>, focused on this very subject as we discussed the doctrine of the Godhead on <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/05/god-father-and-god-son.html">an earlier essay</a> here on <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/">Latter-day Commentary</a>.</p>
<p>From my experience, <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/10/faith-and-fear-cannot-coexist-within-us.html">doubt</a> and dissent are acceptable within the church as long as you either keep it to yourself or express it in such a way so as to not cause others to doubt or disbelieve.  It is only when you actively strive to persuade others to disbelieve or to a course of action that is contrary to the <a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Commandments">commandments</a> as taught in the church that you go down that road to apostasy.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Becoming a son of perdition</span></p>
<p>From what I understand about this doctrine that is <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sons_of_perdition">not uniquely LDS</a>, it is next to impossible to become a <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=a5352f2324d98010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____">son of perdition</a>.  One must have a perfect knowledge of the divinity of the gospel cause, a knowledge that comes only by <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/09/eight-purposes-of-revelation.html">revelation</a> from the <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/06/lord-is-pouring-out-his-spirit.html">Holy Ghost</a>, and then link themselves to <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/03/doctrine-of-spiritual-brotherhood.html">Lucifer</a> and come out in open rebellion against <a href="http://jesuschrist.lds.org/SonOfGod/eng/?cid=wpats1">Jesus Christ</a> and his work to save mankind.</p>
<p>Sons of perdition are not merely wicked; they are incorrigibly <a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Evil">evil</a>. In sinning against the revelations of the Holy Ghost, they have sinned against the greater light and knowledge of God. They willfully and utterly pervert principles of <a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Righteousness">righteousness</a> and <a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Truth">truth</a> with which they were once endowed, and transform them into principles of evil and deception to destroy others.</p>
<p>The gravest of all sins is <a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Blasphemy">blasphemy</a> against the Holy Ghost. One may speak even against Jesus Christ in ignorance and, upon repentance, be forgiven, but knowingly to sin against the Holy Ghost by denying its influence after having received it is unpardonable, and the consequences are inescapable. Such denial dooms the perpetrator to the hell of the <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/07/certain-souls-will-not-be-saved.html">second spiritual death</a></p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">The unpardonable sin</span></p>
<p>This extreme judgment comes because the person sins knowingly against the light, thereby severing himself from the redeeming <a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Grace">grace of Christ</a>. He is numbered with the sons of perdition.  The Prophet <a href="http://www.josephsmith.net/josephsmith/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=041579179acbff00VgnVCM1000001f5e340aRCRD">Joseph Smith</a> explained, &#8220;No man can commit the unpardonable sin after the dissolution of the body, nor in this life, until he receives the Holy Ghost.&#8221;</p>
<p>To commit the unpardonable sin, a person &#8220;must receive the Holy Ghost, have the <a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Visions">heavens opened</a> unto him, and know God, and then sin against Him. After a man has sinned against the Holy Ghost, there is no repentance for him…. he has got to deny Jesus Christ when the heavens have been opened to him, and to deny the <a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Plan_of_Salvation%2C_Plan_of_Redemption">Plan of Salvation</a> with his eyes open to the truth of it.”</p>
<p>If people have such knowledge and willfully turn altogether away, it is a sin against light, a sin against the Holy Ghost, and figuratively &#8220;they <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/heb/6/6#6">crucify to themselves the Son of God</a> afresh, and put him to an open shame.&#8221; Such remain as though there were no <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/05/atonement-of-jesus-christ.html">Atonement</a>, except that they shall be resurrected from the dead.  Awful is the state of those who sin against the Holy Ghost.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Summary and conclusion</span></p>
<p>I have been taught all my life and I believe that there are relatively few men who could become sons of perdition.  I suppose that is because there are few who can say that they have had the heavens opened to them and have had the Savior revealed to them.  Those who have had this experience don’t talk about it.  For most of us, a testimony without open vision is sufficient.</p>
<p>So it is doubtful that those who fight against the work of the Lord, even those who are former members of the <a href="http://www.lds.org/">LDS Church</a> who are now doing everything in their power to promote same-sex marriage and defeat <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_8_%282008%29">proposition 8</a> (or <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arizona_Proposition_102_%282008%29">proposition 102</a> in Arizona) are anywhere near to being considered candidates to suffer the fate of those sons of perdition who deny the Holy Ghost.</p>
<p>I have read the writings of many former members, some returned missionaries and some who served in leadership positions in the church.  I have yet to read anything that provided evidence that they at one time knew the Lord and had been recipients of open visions.  I am of the opinion that there are very few today who will be consigned to the terrible fate of the sons of perdition.</p>
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