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		<title>An Evening with Richard Bushman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard Bushman is a highly respected historian who probably understands the beginnings of Mormonism as well as or better than anyone else. Besides being the co-general editor of the Joseph Smith Papers, he chairs the board of directors of the Mormon Scholars Foundation.  He knows early church history. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/an-evening-with-richard-bushman/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/richardbushman.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-753" title="richardbushman" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/richardbushman-224x300.jpg" alt="" width="224" height="300" /></a>About a thousand other people and I enjoyed an evening with <a title="A previous essay on Rough Stone Rolling" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/smoothing-down-that-rough-stone-rolling/">Richard Bushman</a> last night. He spoke about Joseph and Emma for about 40 minutes and then entertained questions from the audience for another 40 minutes. While his insights on Joseph and Emma were interesting, I found the questions more fascinating, because they reflected a lot of the issues I blog about.</p>
<p>For those who don’t know, Richard Bushman is the author of <a title="Wikipedia article on Rough Stone Rolling" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Smith:_Rough_Stone_Rolling">Rough Stone Rolling</a>, the 2005 biography of Joseph Smith that has become the definitive account of the prophet’s life as told from the viewpoint of a faithful historian. I took advantage of the opportunity to have him autograph my copy and was not the only one in the audience who waited in line to do so.</p>
<p><strong>Open and honest discussion</strong></p>
<p>It was wonderful to see so many people interested in learning more about this great man and the beginnings of the Mormon Church. Every time he finished answering a question a dozen more hands shot up. We could have been there for several more hours. I think that goes to show you how much we as a people appreciate someone who has studied the prophet’s life in such detail.</p>
<p>There were many questions that focused on the process of translating, the Urim and Thummim, the <a title="Seer stone in a hat" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/seer-stone-in-a-hat-book-of-mormon-translation/">seer stone in the hat</a>, <a title="Plural Marriage" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-practice-of-plural-marriage/">polygamy</a>, the three witnesses and the eight witnesses, Oliver Cowdery, the martyrdom, succession, <a title="Book of Abraham" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/objections-to-the-book-of-abraham/">Book of Abraham translation</a>, <a title="Mountain Meadows Massacre" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mountain-meadows-massacre-in-the-news-again/">Mountain Meadows massacre</a> and folk magic. He welcomed every question and encouraged us to ask even the most difficult ones.</p>
<p><strong>A well-qualified historian</strong></p>
<p>One of the most refreshing comments I heard was his expression of appreciation to the church, specifically to the church historian’s office, <a title="Marlin K Jensen" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlin_K._Jensen">Marlin K. Jensen</a> and <a title="Richard E Turley" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_E._Turley,_Jr.">Richard E. Turley</a> for the recent publication of <a title="Available at Deseret Book" href="http://deseretbook.com/Massacre-Mountain-Meadows-Richard-E-Turley-Jr/i/4932848">Massacre at Mountain Meadows</a>. He then said that he hoped that the church would do the same with the issue of polygamy, treating it openly and with historical accuracy.</p>
<p>Burt what impressed me most about the evening was the obvious fact that Richard Bushman is a highly respected historian who probably understands the beginnings of Mormonism as well as or better than anyone else. Besides being the co-general editor of the <a title="Joseph Smith Papers" href="http://beta.josephsmithpapers.org/">Joseph Smith Papers</a>, he chairs the board of directors of the <a title="Mormon Scholars Foundation" href="http://www.mormonscholars.com/">Mormon Scholars Foundation</a>.  He knows early church history.</p>
<p><strong>Serving faithfully in the church</strong></p>
<p>And yet, Richard Bushman has served as a <a title="Bishop" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bishop">bishop</a>, a <a title="Stake President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake_President">stake president</a>, a <a title="Patriarch" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Patriarch">patriarch</a> and is currently a <a title="Inside Mormon Temples" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Inside_Mormon_Temples">sealer</a> in the <a title="Los Angeles Temple" href="http://lds.org/church/temples/los-angeles-california?lang=eng">Los Angeles temple</a>.  I would say that he is a faithful, believing Latter-day Saint, in spite of everything he knows about early church history.  I bring this up specifically to make a point about a common response to my essays and how I can still believe when I know this stuff.</p>
<p>I recently had someone ask me how I was able to do what I do – serve faithfully in the church – in spite of all that I know about, as he called it, “the more disturbing facts of the origins of Mormonism.”  I think maybe he might want to redirect that question to someone like Richard Bushman who knows so much more than I do and yet has been a faithful believer all his life.</p>
<p><strong>Believing in spite of knowing</strong></p>
<p>This individual asked, “How do you reconcile your belief and what the church teaches, with the history of things like the <a title="Joseph Smith was a Mason" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/joseph-smith-was-a-mason-so-what/">origins of the temple ceremony</a>, polygamy, <a title="Multiple versions of the First Vision" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/multiple-versions-of-the-first-vision/">first vision contradictions</a>, development of the story of the restoration of the priesthood, and other issues?”  I answered him privately in an email but have been pondering this whole idea of believing in spite of knowing.</p>
<p>Frankly, it perplexes me. I think I have expressed this same sentiment several times in previous essays every time it comes up. What is so hard about studying and understanding our very early church history, warts and all, and then continuing to believe that Joseph Smith was an instrument in the hands of God to bring about the restoration of the gospel and his church in the latter days?</p>
<p><strong>Shocked by our history</strong></p>
<p>Are we supposed to be shocked, dismayed and overwhelmed with doubt every time we discover some new fact about the early days of the church?  For example, last night we were reminded that beer and wine were used by the early saints, and sometimes even whiskey.  Today, we would be shocked if we learned that the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles drank a glass of wine.</p>
<p>Yet in volume IV, page 120 of the History of the Church on the date of April 17 1840 we read, “This day the Twelve blessed and drank a bottle of wine at Penworthan, made by Mother Moon forty years before.”  Things were different back then, weren’t they?  The <a title="Section 89" href="http://lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/89?lang=eng">Word of Wisdom</a> had been received in 1833 but was not binding upon the saints as a commandment like it is today.</p>
<p><strong>History not being hidden</strong></p>
<p>When <a title="Plural wives of Joseph Smith" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-plural-wives-of-joseph-smith/">Fanny Alger</a> was brought up by Brother Bushman last night as an example of an early failed attempt by Joseph to obey the law of plural marriage, I’ll bet there were a few people in the audience who did not know that Joseph had married this sixteen year old girl in 1833. The revelation on celestial marriage had been received in 1831 but Joseph was hesitant to obey.</p>
<p>For some reason, the idea that Joseph participated in <a title="Plural Marriage" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-practice-of-plural-marriage/">plural marriage</a> is supposed to be shocking to us. This continues to be one of the most common tactics of our critics – to try to shock us with facts that are supposedly being hidden from us by our modern church leaders.  Nothing could be further from the truth. We are always being encouraged to study our history and learn the facts.</p>
<p><strong>Selling the Book of Mormon Copyright</strong></p>
<p>Another example that our critics like to throw at us is the failed attempt to sell the copyright to the Book of Mormon in Canada. Until recently, the only source for this event was the memory of <a title="David Whitmer" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Whitmer">David Whitmer</a> who was not present when Joseph sent the brethren on their mission.  Joseph never said that it must have been a false revelation as Whitmer claimed he said upon their return.</p>
<p>We’re then supposed to conclude that if we can’t trust a revelation from Joseph then how are we supposed to know what is revelation from God. I’m not an apologist but I’m grateful that there are people who dig into these things to get the facts and present them for our review.  Of course, the same facts can be presented in favorable or unfavorable light, depending on where you go.</p>
<p><strong>Consider carefully the source</strong></p>
<p>For example, you can read the story of the copyright mission to Canada on <a title="MormonThink" href="http://mormonthink.com/testimonyweb.htm#satan">MormonThink</a> as supposed evidence that even Joseph Smith didn’t know when revelations were from God and when they were from the devil.  Yet you can read the same account in greater clarity and detail from a more trustworthy and reliable source like <a title="FAIR page on Canada mission" href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Attempt_to_sell_copyright">FAIR</a> and come away strengthened in faith.</p>
<p>We could go on and on with hundreds of things that are supposed to be shocking to us modern believers of the faith because they seem so out of character with what we’ve been taught about Joseph or other leaders of the early LDS church. If we are bothered by something, then we need to do our homework and get all the facts as part of the process of confirming truth for ourselves.</p>
<p><strong>Get the facts straight</strong></p>
<p>If I were concerned upon reading that Joseph Smith was supposed to have said that even he didn’t know when a prophecy came from the Lord or that he is supposed to have said that a revelation he received must have come from the devil, as David Whitmer said he did, then I would want to read more about this and would be very careful about the source that I study.</p>
<p>Because if I believed that Joseph really said this, then that might lead me to conclude that if even prophets have a hard time understanding revelation, how can I really be expected to understand or know the truth of revelations that come to me, especially revelation that I think is telling me that the church itself is true? Do you see how important it is to get the facts of certain matters?</p>
<p><strong>The Joseph Smith Papers</strong></p>
<p>Of course Joseph never said that he must have received a false revelation.  In fact, according to more recent information discovered, the brethren who went on the mission to Canada in an attempt to sell the copyright to the Book of Mormon felt that they were successful on their mission and that the Lord was pleased with their efforts. The promised sale was conditional.</p>
<p>I’m grateful for brethren like Richard Bushman, who are helping to bring us the Joseph Smith papers. In volume 1 of the <a title="Revelations and Translations" href="http://deseretbook.com/Joseph-Smith-Papers-Revelations-Translations-Manuscript-Revelation-Books-Facsimile-Edition-Dean-C-Jessee/i/4389360">Manuscript Revelation Books</a>, we have the full copy of the mission to Canada revelation. It can be read there. The criticism that Joseph later claimed that the revelation had not come from God is in all likelihood the product of a false memory by David Whitmer.</p>
<p><strong>We can believe the prophet</strong></p>
<p>As I wrote in <a title="Come unto Christ" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/come-unto-christ/">a previous essay</a>, I believe it is our lifelong pursuit to understand revelation and to come to know how the Lord communicates with each of us. We can rely on the promises of the Lord to lead us, guide us and walk beside us because we have the gift of the Holy Ghost. I hope we cherish this gift and live worthy of the constant companionship of this promised revelator.</p>
<p>Joseph Smith knew when the Lord was inspiring him and so did most of the brethren who were with him at the time when he received revelation. We can trust that the Lord will help us to have the assurances we need to believe in the mission of the prophet Joseph Smith. Someday, we will meet Brother Joseph and if we still have questions about his life we can ask them to him directly.</p>
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		<title>A Website for the Average Mormon</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know that I’m just one of thousands of LDS members who have a website where they share their beliefs and testimonies of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.  I like to think that I’m not much different from your average Mormon. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-website-for-the-average-mormon/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.latterdaycommentary.com/"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-559" title="latterdaycommentarywebsite" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/latterdaycommentarywebsite.jpg" alt="latterdaycommentarywebsite" width="193" height="148" /></a>I’ve been reading the arguments on <a title="MormonThink.com" href="http://www.mormonthink.com/">MormonThink.com</a> off and on for several years now.  I have a lot of respect for the individuals behind the site, even though most of them choose to be anonymous.  I am confident that I have been visited by several of the contributors there or at least by those who read their site and others like it such as <a title="Exmo, Postmo, NewOrderMo" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mormons-ex-post-anti-and-new-order/">Ex Mormon</a> and <a title="5 Kinds of non-Mormons" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/five-kinds-of-non-mormons/">Post Mormon</a>.</p>
<p>I am by no means a scholar or intellectual.  I think I’m pretty smart and that I’m pretty good with logic.  After all, I have made a living for thirty years demystifying computers for others.  But I know there are a lot of people out there who are smarter than I am and who have the academic credentials to prove it.  I like to think that I’m just a regular, average, typical Latter-day Saint.</p>
<p>I like smart, thinking people and especially people who present logical conclusions well, either in writing or verbally.  Critical thinking is a skill that I am constantly striving to improve.  I confess that I am impressed when someone can speak or write with confidence, especially when it comes to doctrines and practices of the church.  That’s why I continue to take college classes each year.</p>
<p><strong>Choosing to believe</strong></p>
<p>But I’d like to take exception with one of the common threads I find in the essays on sites like <a title="MormonThink.com" href="http://www.mormonthink.com/">MormonThink.com</a>.  It has to do with choosing to believe.  The concept of voluntary or involuntary belief has been discussed by philosophers for millennia.  But it’s such a basic part of how I deal with the sort of intellectual issues on Mormon Think that I want to share it with you.</p>
<p>I disagree with those who contend that beliefs are not voluntary acts of will.  There is no doubt in my mind that I am a <a title="About.com Beliefs and choices" href="http://atheism.about.com/od/philosophyepistemology/a/BeliefChoice.htm">voluntarist</a> when it comes to my beliefs about the church and our history.  This is especially true in light of, or in spite of all the fascinating historical facts that I have read over the years that are just not taught to or even known by the majority of the Latter-day Saints.</p>
<p>Invariably I have found that those who label themselves atheists also claim to be involuntarists.  I am coming to the conclusion that those who embrace the title of Ex Mormon, Post Mormon or Former Mormon also see their position as involuntary.  “It was inevitable,” they say, “based on what I have learned, I had no other choice but to now disbelieve what I had formally believed.”</p>
<p><strong>Encouraging Faith</strong></p>
<p>Well, that’s where we differ.  I have spent many years studying the same material that has been so troubling and bothersome to so many of my fellow seekers of knowledge.  I can honestly say that my faith has been strengthened and my belief deepened that <a title="Visions of Joseph Smith" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-visions-of-joseph-smith/">Joseph</a> was who he claimed to be – a prophet of God &#8211; and that the <a title="The Book of Mormon brings us to Christ" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-book-of-mormon-brings-us-closer-to-christ/">Book of Mormon</a> is what it claims to be – Holy Scripture.</p>
<p>I have no doubt that there are many in the church, who, if they studied the same material we have written about on our blogs and websites, would be absolutely freaked out and would soon leave the church.  They are either social Mormons only or are not strong in their desire to know more about the history of our church.  I don’t think these kinds of people are your typical Mormons.</p>
<p>What’s missing from sites like <a title="MormonThink.com" href="http://www.mormonthink.com/">MormonThink.com</a>, and what you’ll find in abundance on the official church web sites, is the role of faith, and especially encouraging faith.  There is way too much emphasis on the intellect and not enough focus on feelings.  The section on <a title="Testimony and Spiritual Witness" href="http://www.mormonthink.com/testimonyweb.htm">Testimony and Spiritual Witness</a> relegates the role of feelings of faith as something to be dissected and derided.</p>
<p><strong>Announcing new website</strong></p>
<p>That’s reason why I decided to start my own website, <a title="LatterdayCommentary.com" href="http://www.latterdaycommentary.com/">LatterdayCommentary.com</a>.  This blog is hosted on that domain, which I registered years ago.  It’s not much to look at today.  In fact, I almost consider it a prototype.  I’ve put together some commentary and links to my essays on some of the same subjects that you will find on <a title="MormonThink.com" href="http://mormonthink.com/">MormonThink.com</a>.  It will grow with time.</p>
<p>I know that I’m just one of thousands of LDS members who have a website where they share their beliefs and testimonies of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.  I like to think that I’m not much different from your average Mormon.  I grew up as a member of the church but I come from a convert family.  And my viewpoint is definitely that of a laid-back California boy.</p>
<p>I’ve been happy as a member of the LDS Church all my life.  I loved my mission and I love going to the temple.  I love General Conference and I love serving in a local Bishopric.  I hope you’ll take a look at <a title="LatterdayCommentary.com" href="http://www.latterdaycommentary.com/">my website</a> and then come back here and make some suggestions as to how I can make it better and more useful in promoting the doctrines of our LDS faith to the world.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In 1978, civil war broke out in Nicaragua, just after I left the country. My Mission President went from Costa Rica to Managua to help the missionaries get out of the country.  As he was literally leaving the chapel where he &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/shades_of_grey/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a title="President Muren Family" href="http://www.3tcm.net/PresMurenFamily.jpg"><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-411" title="presmurenfamily" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/presmurenfamily-150x150.jpg" alt="presmurenfamily" width="150" height="150" /></a>In 1978, civil war broke out in <a title="Nicaragua" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaragua">Nicaragua</a>, just after I left the country. My <a title="Mission President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mission_President">Mission President</a> went from Costa Rica to Managua to help the missionaries get out of the country.  As he was literally leaving the <a title="Chapel" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Chapel">chapel</a> where he had told the missionaries to gather, the <a title="Sandinistas" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandinista">Sandinistas</a> came running in from the other door and stopped them.</p>
<p>Demanding to know what side of the conflict they were on, <a title="Joseph C. Muren" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Muren">President Muren</a> responded with the phrase, &#8220;tonos de gris,&#8221; which means shades of grey.  He did not stop but kept going right out the door and was able to get that group of Elders out of the country.  Gratefully, all the <a title="Missionaries" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Missionaries">missionaries</a> eventually made it safely out.</p>
<p><strong>Social or Cultural Mormons</strong></p>
<p>Can a person be a member of the <a title="Mormon" href="http://www.mormon.org">LDS faith</a> and not believe some of the <a title="Doctrine" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Doctrine">doctrine</a> or accept the <a title="Church History" href="http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/history">official story</a> of the <a title="Mormon History" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_history">history</a>?  Absolutely!  We call them social or <a title="Cultural Mormons" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Mormon">cultural Mormons</a> and there are countless numbers of them within the church.  Many of these kinds of members come from multi-generation <a title="Mormon Pioneers" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_Pioneers">pioneer</a> LDS families.</p>
<p>If you survey an average <a title="Mormon meetings" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_meetings">congregation</a> in the LDS faith, you will find that there are a surprising number who just don’t care about some of the doctrine and care even less about the history.  They are there because it is their family tradition and they derive satisfaction from the social interaction among good people that they know.</p>
<p><strong>Looking for the middle ground</strong></p>
<p>They feel uncomfortable when they hear <a title="Loyalty" href="http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-353-21,00.html">statements</a> from their leaders that the <a title="LDS Church" href="http://www.lds.org">LDS church</a> is either the <a title="Kingdom of God" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Kingdom_of_God">kingdom of God</a> or it is nothing.  When someone says that <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_Smith">Joseph Smith</a> was either God’s <a title="Mormon Prophet" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Prophet">prophet</a> or he was a great fraud, they feel unfairly pressured to have to put their view of the man in such black and white terms.</p>
<p>Isn’t there some <a title="There is no middle ground" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/there-is-no-middle-ground/">middle ground</a> where good people can participate in the Mormon faith without having to take sides about Joseph Smith, the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a>, the idea of <a title="Angels" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Angels">angels</a> visiting Joseph and the concept of <a title="Priesthood Keys" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Keys_of_the_Priesthood">priesthood keys</a> and <a title="Authority" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Authority">authority</a>?  There is so much good in the church.  Why does it have to be classified as <a title="True and Living Church" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/True_and_Living_Church">true</a>?</p>
<p><strong>The American Mormon culture</strong></p>
<p>There are many members of the LDS church who do not fit the stereotypical image of <a title="US Conservatism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism_in_the_United_States">conservative</a>, <a title="Orthodoxy" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthodoxy">orthodox</a>, <a title="Republican" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)">Republican</a>, <a title="White Collar" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White-collar_worker">white-collar</a>, <a title="All American" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-American_(disambiguation)">all-American</a> family.  The church membership is actually quite diverse, especially as one travels outside the confines of the <a title="Intermountain West" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermountain_West">Intermountain West</a> where the church flourished and is the strongest.</p>
<p>Culturally, as a church and a people, we seem to have become stagnated in the mindset of the <a title="19th Century" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/19th_Century">19th century</a> view of <a title="Mormonism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism">Mormonism</a> that still conflicts with the outside world.  The church is growing beyond the <a title="Mormon corridor" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Corridor">Mormon corridor</a> but is experiencing a sort of consolidation in the traditional strongholds of the faith – the center of <a title="Zion" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Zion">Zion</a>.</p>
<p><strong>The one true church</strong></p>
<p>Many good people who recognize this cultural myopia and <a title="Parochialism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parochialism">parochialism</a> that exists within the LDS faith have expanded their views and horizons beyond the <a title="Mores" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mores">mores</a> and restraints of the traditional, orthodox Mormon <a title="Worldview" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldview">worldview</a>.  There are so many good people out there that are doing great things to serve their local communities.</p>
<p>Because these <a title="Progressive Christianity" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Christianity">progressive</a> thinking people have expanded their views they have come in contact with different ways of thinking about the <a title="Religious Experience" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_experience">religious experience</a> and about their own Mormon upbringing.  The idea of belonging to <a title="One true church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">the one true church</a> has come to be offensive and difficult, if not impossible to defend in their minds.</p>
<p><strong>God’s chosen people</strong></p>
<p>They see and are embarrassed by what appears to be a contest of <a title="Right and wrong" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=4bd89209df38b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">right and wrong</a> between our zeal as <a title="Every member a missionary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Every_Member_a_Missionary">a missionary church</a> and the good people who are not already a part of the elect kingdom of God.  Whereas previously they were uncomfortable with a perceived <a title="Exclusivism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusivism">exclusivist</a> approach, they now are adamant that we are wrong.</p>
<p>We are <a title="Judgemental" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=2d0584d4a0a0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">judgmental</a>, they cry.  Why can’t we accept everybody else just the way they are?  Why are we trying to <a title="Convert" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Convert">convert</a> people when they are already happy and doing much good in their own faith?  The idea of rules for membership becomes chafing.  Why does the church have such high <a title="Standards of strength" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=347e7264d3b9c110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">standards</a> that drive people crazy?</p>
<p><strong>Pointing out the flaws and faults</strong></p>
<p>A large percentage of the LDS membership either does not know or does not care about some of the <a title="Troubling issues" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/general-authority-training-advanced-subjects/">troubling issues</a> of our early history and growth as a church.  It is frustrating to progressive thinkers that so many within the faith are not as well versed as they are on these issues and the supposed quandaries that they present.</p>
<p>So they become more vocal and <a title="Strident" href="http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/strident?rdfrom=Strident">strident</a> in pointing out the flaws and faults of the church and its leaders, both historical and current.  Their frustration increases when their audience either shrugs its collective shoulders or ignores their efforts to educate them on the problems that they see in the church.  How can they not care?</p>
<p><strong>Many faithful members do know</strong></p>
<p>While there are many who don’t know and don’t care, there are just as many who are very knowledgeable in the issues and problems that are troublesome to our <a title="Liberalism" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism">liberal minded</a> members.  It’s just that we have found answers within our own hearts and minds many years ago that satisfy the potential <a title="Cognitive dissonance" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance">cognitive dissonance</a>.</p>
<p>We quietly go about our lives, secure and confident in the knowledge that we have found answers for the most important elements of our faith.  We invite others to taste of the peace that comes from knowing that there are answers and that there are many solid and bedrock truths upon which we can build our lives and our faith.</p>
<p><strong>Raise a warning voice</strong></p>
<p>For some reason, when we try to share our <a title="Certainty" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Certainty">certainty</a> about the truths we have found, we are sometimes misunderstood to be <a title="Arrogance or hubris" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris">arrogant</a> or presenting our faith as superior or more complete than theirs.  Yes, if you invite someone to share in your happiness then you are presenting what you have found to be of great worth.</p>
<p>This is a difficult task to perform.  We are commanded to <a title="Declare the truth" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/75/1-5#1">raise our voices</a> to let the world know of the events pertaining to <a title="Church history chronology" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/chchrono/contents">the founding of our church</a>.  We have been asked to <a title="Warn your neighbor" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/88/81#81">be bold</a> in declaring that God has called <a title="Prophets" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Prophet">prophets</a> in our day and that he has sent <a title="Angels" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Angels">angels</a> to ordain and teach truths that have long been lost from the world.</p>
<p><strong>Some truths are not relative</strong></p>
<p>And thus we arrive at the heart of the conflict between orthodox conservative Mormons and progressive liberal Mormons.  What is <a title="Truth" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Truth">truth</a>?  Can one say with any degree of certainty that they have found the best and most complete source of truth without excluding the many other sources of truth that are found in the world?</p>
<p>Truth is reality. Some kinds of truth can only be received through <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelation</a>. I have never seen God or Jesus. I was not there when Joseph received the <a title="First Vision" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/First_Vision">First Vision</a>. So for me to be able to know those facts, they have to be revealed to me by the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a>.  Some truths are either <a title="Mystery of Godliness" href="http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6946">revealed of God</a> or they <a title="McConkie - relationship with God" href="http://speeches.byu.edu/reader/reader.php?id=6843">remain unknown</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Truths received by revelation</strong></p>
<p>The five pillars of the <a title="LDS Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">LDS testimony</a> require revelation: God lives, Jesus is the Christ, the Savior called Joseph as a prophet, the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a> was brought forth by the <a title="Joseph has done more..." href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/135/3#3">gift and power of God</a> and the church that Joseph established is authorized of God to administer the <a title="Ordinances" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ordinances">ordinances of salvation</a> that God requires.</p>
<p>Without <a title="Revelation" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Revelation">revelation</a> from the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a> we can’t say that we know these things. It’s just not logical. I have studied the Book of Mormon and the Church that claims to be God’s only church authorized to administer the ordinances of salvation. With revelation from the Holy Ghost I can say I know they are what they claim to be.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>In some things in life, it is wise to take a position characterized by my Mission President’s <a title="Missionaries and Sandinistas" href="http://www.3tcm.net/CivilWar.htm">response to the Sandinistas</a> – shades of grey.  We do not always know all the facts of some situations and should withhold judgment until a later time.  However, in some critical matters, we must take a position and know for ourselves.</p>
<p>It takes work and determination to obtain knowledge about the five pillars of an LDS <a title="Testimony" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Testimony">testimony</a>.  But I, and millions of others over the years, can say with great certainty that God does reveal knowledge about himself and his prophets to those who diligently seek it.  This revealed knowledge does not come in shades of grey.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the priesthood session of the April 2003 General Conference, President Hinckley delivered a landmark address on the subject of loyalty.   In his remarks he said, “Each of us has to face the truth of the matter—either the church is &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/there-is-no-middle-ground/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-398" title="preshinckley" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/preshinckley-150x150.jpg" alt="preshinckley" width="150" height="150" />In the <a title="Priesthood" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Priesthood">priesthood</a> session of the <a title="April 2003 General Conference" href="http://lds.org/conference/sessions/display/0,5239,23-1-353,00.html">April 2003</a> <a title="General Conference" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/General_Conference">General Conference</a>, <a title="President Hinckley" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gordon_B._Hinckley">President Hinckley</a> delivered a landmark address on the subject of <a title="Loyalty" href="http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-353-21,00.html">loyalty</a>.   In his remarks he said, “Each of us has to face the truth of the matter—either the church is true, or it is a fraud.  <strong><em>There is no middle ground</em></strong>.  It is the Church and <a title="Kingdom of God" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Kingdom_of_God">kingdom of God</a> or it is nothing.”</p>
<p>An earlier prophet, <a title="Joseph Fielding Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_Fielding_Smith">Joseph Fielding Smith</a> wrote something similar in the <a title="Doctrines of Salvation" href="http://deseretbook.com/store/product/5020291">Doctrines of Salvation:</a> “<a title="Mormonism" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormonism">Mormonism</a>, as it is called, must stand on the story of <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_Smith">Joseph Smith</a>.  He was either a <a title="Mormon Prophet" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Prophet">prophet of God</a>, divinely called, properly appointed and commissioned, or he was one of the biggest frauds this world has ever seen.  <strong><em>There is no middle ground</em></strong>.”</p>
<p><strong>There can be no gray area</strong></p>
<p>Referring to the historical events of the area around <a title="Palmyra" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Palmyra">Palmyra</a>, New York, President Hinckley said: “They either happened or they did not. There can be no gray area, <strong><em>no middle ground</em></strong>.”   In a similar manner, Apostle <a title="Joseph B Wirthlin" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_B._Wirthlin">Joseph B. Wirthlin</a> said, “Joseph Smith must be accepted either as a prophet of God or else as a charlatan of the first order.”</p>
<p><a title="President Benson" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ezra_Taft_Benson">President Benson</a> endorsed this all or nothing view.  He said, “Just as the arch crumbles if the keystone is removed, so does all the Church stand or fall with the truthfulness of the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a>…if it can be discredited, the Prophet Joseph Smith goes with it. So does our claim to <a title="Priesthood Keys" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Keys_of_the_Priesthood">priesthood keys</a>, and <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelation</a>, and the <a title="Restoration" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Restoration">restored Church</a>.”</p>
<p><strong>They were all wrong</strong></p>
<p>Such black and white statements go all the way back to the beginnings of the <a title="LDS Church" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/The_Church_of_Jesus_Christ_of_Latter-day_Saints">LDS church</a>.  When the prophet Joseph asked God <a title="JS-H 1:18-19" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/18-19#18">which church he should join</a>, he “was answered that I must join none of them, for <strong><em>they were all wrong</em></strong>.”  If all the churches of Joseph’s day were wrong, what does that say about the numerous churches of our day?</p>
<p>The Lord later said to Joseph in <a title="D&amp;C 1:29-30" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/1/29-30#29">Section one</a> of the <a title="Doctrine and Covenants" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Doctrine_and_Covenants">Doctrine and Covenants</a> that the church Joseph organized was “the <strong><em>only true and living church</em></strong> upon the face of the whole earth.”  If you look, you can find dozens of similar statements by prophets and apostles throughout the history of our church, all very bold in their declarations.</p>
<p><strong>Divisive and exclusivist</strong></p>
<p>Of course, statements like these are labeled divisive and exclusivist by many people outside our church, but also, increasingly by members on the fringe of the church, also known as the <a title="DAMU" href="http://mormonism.suite101.com/article.cfm/disaffected_mormon_underground">disaffected Mormon underground</a>.  The DAMU is nothing new.  There have been <a title="Cultural Mormon" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Mormon">cultural Mormons</a> and <a title="Jack Mormon" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Mormon">Jack Mormons</a> throughout the history of our church.</p>
<p>Of all the objections to the church that I have encountered over the past few years I have been blogging, this one seems to be the most common and the most offensive.  For some, it is an extremely difficult proposition to accept this black or white, all or nothing approach to <a title="Truth in Religion" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Truth">truth in religion</a>.  I have spent considerable time pondering why this is so.</p>
<p><strong>Good and truth in all religions</strong></p>
<p>Joseph Smith taught that we accept truth from whatever source it may come.  <a title="Joseph F. Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_F._Smith">Joseph F. Smith</a> said, “We are willing to <a title="Gospel Doctrine, p.1" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=66a205481ae6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">receive all truth, from whatever source</a> it may come; for truth will stand, truth will endure…”  Modern prophets have said that there is much good and truth in all churches and religions.  This statement doesn’t seem too limiting.</p>
<p>President Hinckley: “We recognize the <a title="Good in all churches" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=c069dbdcc370c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">good in all churches</a>. We recognize the value of religion generally. We say to everyone: live the teachings which you have received from your church. We invite you to come and learn from us, to see if we can <em><strong>add to those teachings</strong></em> and enhance your life and your understanding of things sacred and divine.”</p>
<p><strong>Something unique to add</strong></p>
<p>What can the LDS faith add that is unique and will bless the lives of those who accept its teachings?  The most unique thing we offer can be found in the <a title="Mormon temples" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_Temples">temples</a>.  It is the <a title="Sealing Power" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Sealing#Sealing_Power">sealing power</a> that is exercised to unite families in an eternal bond that will remain in effect after this life is over.  That is an amazing claim that no other church can make.</p>
<p>We teach that the sealing power is a part of the <a title="Priesthood Authority" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Priesthood_Authority">priesthood authority</a> that we claim was delivered to Joseph Smith via angelic messengers.  I don’t know of any other church that asserts that <a title="Angels" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Angels">angels</a> have come and ordained their leaders or conferred upon them <a title="Section 110" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/110">keys and powers</a> that will <a title="Matt 16:19" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/16/19#19">bind on earth and in heaven</a>.  That is a fantastic declaration!</p>
<p><strong>Our eternal nature</strong></p>
<p>The older I get, the more important that claim becomes to me.  If I know nothing else, I know that there is a <a title="Spirit body" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Spirit_Body">spiritual side</a> of my existence.  I have had too many experiences of a spiritual nature that have helped me to understand this truth.  Others may claim that there is nothing more to man than skin, muscle and bones, but I believe differently.</p>
<p>Because of that very basic and core fundamental belief about myself, I am concerned about what my <a title="Purpose of life" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Purpose_of_Life">purpose is in life</a> and <a title="Spirit world" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Spirit_World">what happens after death</a>.  I am so grateful to be a part of a community of faith, a church that believes as I do that life is eternal and that what we do with our lives will have a significant impact on the quality of life hereafter.</p>
<p><strong>Importance of the temples</strong></p>
<p>That belief in <a title="John 17:2-3" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/17/2-3#2">life eternal</a> is not unique, but the idea that we can do something to ensure that the relationships we enjoy here continue in the hereafter is very unique indeed.  I have had dialog with visitors to my blog who claim that God would never be so mean as to separate a loving couple who cherished and served each other all their mortal lives.</p>
<p>I’m not going to point you to any <a title="Celestial marriage" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Celestial_marriage">statements from church leaders</a> that teach otherwise but I will say this: before you go making claims about how God should behave, you might want to be absolutely sure of what God has said on the subject.  I can’t think of anything about which I would want to be surer.  My eternal happiness depends on it.</p>
<p><strong>Book of Mormon is still the key</strong></p>
<p>Back to the point of the essay and why prophets have said that there can be <em><strong>no middle ground</strong></em> when it comes to things like authority and revelation and Joseph Smith and the Book of Mormon.  My mother, who was a convert to the church, once said to me that as an investigator, she could accept everything about it except the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a>.</p>
<p>It wasn’t until much later in life when she took an <a title="Institute" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Institute">Institute</a> class on the subject that she really began to understand just how important it is to our claims of divine origin.  I love the fact that we do not have <a title="Gold Plates" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gold_Plates">the plates</a> to “prove” the historicity of the book.  Prophets have taught that the Book of Mormon is a great sifter of those who are honest in heart.</p>
<p><strong>The power of a divine witness</strong></p>
<p>I know there are those who have said that they have tried and failed to obtain a witness of the veracity of the Book of Mormon.  I have had dialog with people both inside and outside the church who have struggled with this.  I confess that I cannot offer a perfect empathy because <a title="Personal Revelation" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-call-for-more-personal-revelation/">I received a witness</a> of the truthfulness of the book many years ago.</p>
<p>Because of that divine manifestation to me, not just once but <a title="Testimony at Rick's College" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-different-kind-of-religious-education/">on several occasions</a>, I have never doubted the Book of Mormon, or the claims of the prophet Joseph Smith. I understand why the prophets have said that the Book of Mormon is the <a title="Keystone of our religion" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=50db94bf3938b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">keystone of our religion</a> and why our claims of divinity rest upon the veracity of that book.  I also agree with the statement that the <a title="Strength of members" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=18659209df38b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">strength of this church is in the testimony</a> of each member.</p>
<p><strong>The promise of personal revelation</strong></p>
<p>One of my evangelical visitors once called this security that I feel, <a title="Burning of the bosom" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/burning-of-the-bosom-feelings-from-god/">the Mormon bubble</a>.  He says it is not logical but it makes perfect sense to me.  You can throw out all kinds of arguments about the <a title="Book of Abraham" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/objections-to-the-book-of-abraham/">Book of Abraham</a>, <a title="Plural wives of Joseph" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-plural-wives-of-joseph-smith/">Polyandry</a>, <a title="Post Manifesto polygamy" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/no-such-thing-as-mormon-fundamentalism/">Post-manifesto plural marriage</a>, the <a title="Kinderhook plates" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Kinderhook_plates">Kinderhook Plates</a> or any one a few dozen other things that can be found on the Internet.</p>
<p>None of them bothered me when I first learned about them and none of them do now.  I have written <a title="General Authority subjects" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/general-authority-training-advanced-subjects/">essays on dozens of these objections</a> and have come to the conclusion that they really aren’t the real problem with why people doubt or leave the church.  In my opinion, those who struggle with these doubts have not received <a title="Apostasy" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Apostate">personal revelation</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>I know that a <a title="Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">testimony</a> is a very sacred and personal subject.  I also know that making a generalization like I just did will bring all kinds of protests.  But I stand by it as truth.  If a man has received a <a title="Gift of the Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gift_of_the_Holy_Ghost">witness from God</a> that the Book of Mormon is true then God has a responsibility to help that man as he goes through the ensuing <a title="Trials" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Trials">trials</a> of that testimony.</p>
<p>I know that God will help the honest in heart keep their testimonies strong and vibrant.  If we <a title="Gospel Study" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bible_Study">study</a> we are going to find out things that will test our witness.  We will then have the opportunity to strengthen and deepen it.  That’s what opposition is for.  We do not have to wallow in doubt.  But those who doubt are welcome while they work things out.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 01:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have been intrigued by Blake Ostler’s 2007 FAIR conference presentation entitled, “Spiritual Experiences as the Basis for Belief and Commitment.”  I have read it several times and have decided that Blake is on to something that I would like &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/spiritual-experiences-as-a-foundation-for-faith/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-338" title="josephplates" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/josephplates-150x150.jpg" alt="josephplates" width="150" height="150" />I have been intrigued by <a title="Blake Ostler" href="http://www.blakeostler.com">Blake Ostler</a>’s 2007 <a title="FAIR" href="http://www.fairlds.org/">FAIR</a> conference <a title="Blake's essay FAIR 2007" href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2007_Spiritual_Experiences.html">presentation</a> entitled, “Spiritual Experiences as the Basis for Belief and Commitment.”  I have read it several times and have decided that Blake is on to something that I would like to develop further.  As you can see I have modified his title a little bit for use in my essay.  I highly recommend you read <a title="Blake's essay" href="http://www.fairlds.org/FAIR_Conferences/2007_Spiritual_Experiences.html">his essay</a> first.</p>
<p>I’m going to focus on two points he made as he was answering questions towards the end of the presentation.  The first is this: “Memory, and what we do, is changed every time we think about it and remember it.”  The second is this: “All logic is <em>ex post facto</em> to prove what we already feel is true.”  Keep those points in mind as I advance some ideas on my experience with revelation.</p>
<p><strong>Youthful revelatory experiences</strong></p>
<p>Like Blake, I had some remarkable <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelatory experiences</a> when I was young that impressed me at the time but have impressed me even more as I have pondered and remembered them over the years.  I have written about them previously, but will list them here to provide some background.  Don’t think that these sacred events were easily obtained or casually absorbed.  They weren’t.</p>
<p>I was taught and believe that we <a title="Cannot live on borrowed light" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=9a7e945bd384b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1">cannot live on borrowed light</a>.  Throughout my <a title="Seminary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Seminary">Seminary</a> and <a title="Institute" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Institute">Institute</a> experience, I must have heard dozens of lessons on how vitally important it is to obtain our own <a title="Testimony" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Testimony">witness of the spirit</a> in order to remain committed to the church and the gospel in later years.  My teachers taught me and the spirit confirmed that I could receive <a title="Revelation" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Revelation">personal revelation</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Foundational spiritual events</strong></p>
<p>The first <a title="Rick's College experience" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-different-kind-of-religious-education/">revelatory experience</a> to which I’ll refer was obtained while I was a student at BYU Idaho.  I was seventeen years old and very immature but very impressed with a testimony I had heard that week from an Apostle of the Lord.  That weekend in my room I prayed fervently for many hours to know for myself that what he had said was true and important for me in my life.</p>
<p>The next impressive spiritual event in the development of my testimony was the next year when I was eighteen years old and preparing myself to serve a mission.  I have also shared this one in <a title="Personal revelation" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-call-for-more-personal-revelation/">a previous essay</a>.  The experience was equally as impressive as the first one though it was perhaps deeper in meaning and implication.  These are part of my early foundational spiritual memories.</p>
<p><strong>Deep impact on my faith</strong></p>
<p>These were not my only youthful revelatory experiences.  I have recorded several others in my journals that came almost unbidden during the years before my mission.  Although I received them as a result of prayer, the effort was not as intense.  In other words, I did not pray for many hours or fast for days to obtain the other experiences.  Nevertheless, they were just as powerful.</p>
<p>Because of these events, I was able to go through the difficult and rigorous experience of <a title="My missionary experience" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-teaching-and-testifying-missionary/">serving as a missionary</a> without looking back and wondering why I decided to sacrifice like that for two years.  I had these sacred memories burning in my heart and being added unto with additional everyday assurances from the Lord that I was engaged in his work and that he was appreciative.</p>
<p><strong>Working with imperfect people</strong></p>
<p>Life marches on.  An education is obtained, a <a title="My marriage" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-sacred-power-of-marriage/">marriage</a> is solemnized in the temple, a family is raised and increasing responsibilities in a career and in the church are rewarding and fulfilling.  As sometimes happens, I begin to learn things about my faith, and especially about the people in it that are at first disturbing and then disappointing.  I experience some logical inconsistencies.</p>
<p><a title="Cognitive Dissonance" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance">Cognitive dissonance</a> can be a painful experience when it includes people from our world who are in authoritative positions.  For example, a beloved <a title="Bishop" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bishop">bishop</a> from my youth became inactive after he was released.  How could this happen?  He represented the Lord to me in interviews that I held sacred.  He helped me resolve several youthful problems and encouraged me to be faithful.</p>
<p><strong>Imperfections even at high levels</strong></p>
<p>Another bishop from my youth is disciplined after fiscal improprieties in his business dealings are revealed.  I learn of divorces of people whom I admired, some of whom were influential in my youth.  I then begin to learn of difficulties in higher levels of the church – stake presidents who lose their testimonies and announce to their congregations that they are leaving the faith.</p>
<p>A <a title="George P Lee" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_P._Lee">promising general authority</a> is excommunicated for breaking the law of chastity.  I discover that an <a title="Richard R. Lyman" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_R._Lyman">apostle was excommunicated</a> for this very same reason less than forty years earlier.  How is this possible – a modern apostle excommunicated?  I can understand it happening in the early days of the church but not in our day and age.  These are men of God.  Tell me this wasn’t so!</p>
<p><strong>Sacred things exposed and mocked</strong></p>
<p>I discovered that a former ordinance worker in the temple had recorded the temple ceremony and then published it.  How could he do that?  I hold the temple sacred and have enjoyed so many wonderful experiences there over the years.  What could cause him to lose his faith and reveal something that means so much to me?  Did he never have any spiritual experiences of his own?</p>
<p>From the earliest days of the church there have been those who have not been impressed with the sacred nature of the temple and have exposed things that they have covenanted to keep sacred.  In our day there are those who claim to have received the <a title="Second Annointing" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_anointing">second anointing</a> and then describe it on the message boards of those who hate the church.  Something’s not right with this picture.</p>
<p><strong>Not all members receive revelation</strong></p>
<p>I used to think that everybody in the church had spiritual experiences similar to those I enjoyed in my youth.  Over the years, I have come to realize that this is not the case.  Can that be true even for those who have served as bishops, <a title="Stake President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake_President">stake presidents</a> or even <a title="General Authority" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/General_Authority">general authorities</a>?  In my opinion, yes &#8211; personal experience has shown this to be so.  Not all members receive revelation.</p>
<p>That has been an amazing thing for me to contemplate.  Was I just extremely lucky or blessed to believe that I could receive revelation when I was so young?  Several visitors to my blog over the years have tried to convince me that I did not receive revelation.  They have suggested that what I experienced was a form of self-hypnosis, or simply the effect of a frenzied, emotional state.</p>
<p><strong>Memories can be enlarged</strong></p>
<p>Back to Blake’s two points, memory first.  I have come to realize that although my early spiritual experiences occurred nearly thirty-five years ago, they are clearer in my mind now then when I first experienced them.  The combination of pondering them and writing about them has helped me to understand that there was much more detail in the experiences than what I first thought.</p>
<p>As Blake pointed out in his essay, this helps me to understand why Joseph Smith could recount the same <a title="First Vision" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/First_Vision">First Vision</a> experience differently in <a title="Multiple accounts of First Vision" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/multiple-versions-of-the-first-vision/">each of the accounts</a> he relates over the years.  I was so focused on determining my own standing before God in my first youthful manifestation that I had overlooked how deeply and powerfully the Lord spoke to me about missionary labors.</p>
<p><strong>How to explain all this</strong></p>
<p>Blake’s second point was that all logic is created to prove what we already feel is true.  I have had prima facia experiences that overrule any logical inconsistencies I have encountered in what I have learned about the history and people of this church as I have studied it in more depth.  In effect, I have not really experienced cognitive dissonance at all because the spiritual trumps logical.</p>
<p>Let me restate that.  My spiritual revelatory experiences with the Holy Ghost early in my life have proven to be so powerful that it seems that no matter what kind of troubling things I may learn about the men who run or have run this church, I feel inoculated and immune to their effect.  My evangelical friends call this “living in the protective Mormon bubble of a testimony.”</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>My experiences with the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a> are not going to be the same as yours.  They may be similar or they may be completely different.  For me, these revelatory events in my youth have provided a foundation for my experiences in this church thus far.  I have encountered much imperfection and weakness in the men who run it, but the spiritual witnesses of my life have protected me.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that I continue to believe that the <a title="LDS Church" href="http://www.lds.org">LDS Church</a> is what it claims to be when it was setup through the prophet Joseph Smith <a title="Organization of the church" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Organization_of_the_Church%2C_1830">in 1830</a>.  The simple fact is that we can know this for ourselves through revelatory encounters with the Holy Ghost.  No matter what negative things I discover, nothing can overcome the strength of that personal witness if I remain worthy.</p>
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<p>Note about the illustration: This artist&#8217;s conception of Joseph translating the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a> is one that is highly criticized by some members of the church.  They feel it is disingenuous because it does not show Joseph using the <a title="Seer stone in a hat" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/seer-stone-in-a-hat-book-of-mormon-translation/">seer stones in the hat</a>.  It also shows the plates in plain view of Oliver which was not the case.  Joseph was not to show them to anyone unless commanded of the Lord.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, you’ve completed all the prerequisite training and life experiences to prepare you for basic General Authority service.  You’ve been a missionary, a bishop, a stake president and have just returned from your latest assignment as a mission president.  You’re &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/general-authority-training-advanced-subjects/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p>OK, you’ve completed all the prerequisite training and life experiences to prepare you for basic <a title="General Authority" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/General_Authority">General Authority</a> service.  You’ve been a <a title="Missionary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_missionaries">missionary</a>, a <a title="Bishop" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bishop">bishop</a>, a <a title="Stake President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake_President">stake president</a> and have just returned from your latest assignment as a <a title="Mission President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mission_President">mission president</a>.  You’re somewhat financially stable and are now ready for the real challenge of a call to serve in one of the <a title="Seventy" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Seventy">Quorums of the Seventy</a>.</p>
<p>You’ve been active and faithful in the church all your life and have a deep and abiding testimony of the <a title="The Gospel" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gospel">restored gospel</a> of Jesus Christ.  You have enjoyed success and found great joy in helping others come to a knowledge of the Lord through your missionary labors.  You’re proven to be a gifted administrator in the <a title="Priesthood" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Priesthood">priesthood</a>.  You love to study the <a title="Scriptures" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Scriptures">scriptures</a> and to teach the gospel.</p>
<p><strong>Responding to difficult questions</strong></p>
<p>The <a title="Brethren" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Brethren">Brethren</a> have decided that all potential General Authorities must now take some additional classes prior to receiving the call.  While we are a <a title="Lay Ministry" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Lay_Participation_and_Leadership">lay ministry</a>, it is important that those who are called into positions that represent the church have skills developed in responding to difficult questions.  You know the ones I’m talking about.  <a title="President Hinckley" href="http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/presidents/controllers/potcController.jsp?leader=15&amp;topic=facts">President Hinckley</a> was asked some of them.</p>
<p>Since you are on that potential General Authority list, you have been selected to participate in this class.  In order to ensure that the training is effective, we have selected some real-world examples of the kind of questions you can expect to encounter.  While you may have had no experience in studying church history, you will most certainly be asked questions like these.</p>
<p><strong>The really hard list</strong></p>
<p>1. <a title="Joseph Smith polygamy" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-plural-wives-of-joseph-smith/">Joseph Smith polygamy</a> and polyandry – why didn’t we know about this?<br />
2. Book of Mormon translation &#8211; <a title="Seer stone in a hat" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/seer-stone-in-a-hat-book-of-mormon-translation/">Peep stone in a hat</a> vs. Urim &amp; Thummim<br />
3. Why are there <a title="First Vision" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/multiple-versions-of-the-first-vision/">multiple versions</a> of Joseph Smith&#8217;s First Vision story?<br />
4. Why did the <a title="Three Witnesses" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Three_Witnesses">three witnesses</a> of the Book of Mormon leave the church?<br />
5. Why is there no real <a title="Book of Mormon archaelogy" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Archaeology">archeological evidence</a> for the Book of Mormon?</p>
<p>6. <a title="DNA Evidence Book of Mormon" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/changes-to-the-book-of-mormon/">DNA evidence</a> proved that American Indians have no Israelite blood.<br />
7. Egyptian scholars have proven that the <a title="Book of Abraham" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/objections-to-the-book-of-abraham/">Book of Abraham</a> is a fraud.<br />
8. Did Joseph Smith take the Temple ceremony from the <a title="Joseph was a Mason" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/joseph-smith-was-a-mason-so-what/">Masons</a>?<br />
9. Could a real prophet have been deceived by the <a title="Kinderhook plates" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Kinderhook_plates">Kinderhook plates</a>?<br />
10. That is so exclusionary of us to claim to be the <a title="Only true church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">only true church</a>.</p>
<p>11. Did Brigham Young teach that <a title="Adam God theory" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/adam-god-theory-gets-attention-again/">Adam was God</a> and if so, why?<br />
12. Do we currently teach that <a title="God was once a man" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/man-of-holiness-is-his-name/">God was once a man</a> like we are?<br />
13. How can we really believe that <a title="Man can become a God" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mormon-visitors-from-outer-space/">man can become a God</a>?<br />
14. How could the <a title="Mountain Meadows massacre" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mountain-meadows-massacre-in-the-news-again/">Mountain Meadows Massacre</a> have happened?<br />
15. Why did the church practice <a title="Post manifesto plural marriage" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/no-such-thing-as-mormon-fundamentalism/">polygamy</a> after the 1890 manifesto?</p>
<p>16. Your church seems racist.  Why delay giving <a title="Blacks and priesthood" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Blacks">priesthood to blacks</a>?<br />
17. Why did President Hinckley <a title="I don't know that we teach it" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/i-dont-know-that-we-teach-it/">deny that we teach</a> long-held doctrines?<br />
18. How was President Hinckley deceived by the <a title="Mark Hoffman" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mark_Hoffman">Mark Hoffman</a> forgeries?<br />
19. Why do Mormons believe that <a title="Spiritual brotherhood" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-doctrine-of-spiritual-brotherhood/">Lucifer and Jesus Christ are brothers</a>?<br />
20. There are documented cases of <a title="Spiritual abuse" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_Alliance">spiritual abuse</a> by priesthood leaders.</p>
<p>21. Why is the church opposed to work of <a title="September six" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_Six">LDS scholars and intellectuals</a>?<br />
22. Why did the church cover up <a title="President Benson Alzheimers" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/when-a-prophet-gets-alzheimers-disease/">President Benson&#8217;s Alzheimer’s</a> disease?<br />
23. How can the true Church of Jesus Christ reject <a title="Do Mormons haye gays?" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/do-mormons-hate-gays/">those who are gay</a>?<br />
24. Why has <a title="LDS Church growth" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mormon-church-is-not-the-fastest-growing/">church growth stopped</a> in the U.S. – baptisms decreasing?<br />
25. How can the LDS claim to be the true church with <a title="Church growth slows" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/lds-church-growth-slows-in-united-states/">so few members</a>?</p>
<p><strong>Effect of the questions</strong></p>
<p>These are legitimate questions raised over the years that can be found today <a title="Rough Stone Rolling" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/smoothing-down-that-rough-stone-rolling/">all over the Internet</a>.  Many of our young people are asked these questions by their friends on a regular basis.  They are not being malicious or trying to cause problems.  They simply want answers.  Even though they are difficult questions, some have studied them out in an effort to be able to provide the answers.</p>
<p>Sometimes they have discovered that even long-time members have never heard these questions.  They have been told by well-meaning leaders to just pray about it and they will get their answers.  But there is so much confusing information out there and no official LDS source that addresses these questions that they become discouraged and <a title="How to stay LDS" href="http://staylds.com/docs/HowToStay.html">begin to doubt</a> their testimonies of the church.</p>
<p><strong>Rules of engagement</strong></p>
<p>Your assignment as a new General Authority is to address these questions in a manner that <a title="Build faith and encourage study" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=e567759235d0c010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1">builds faith and encourages continued study</a>.  You must not act surprised if you have never heard any of these questions before or don’t understand why they seem so important to those who are asking.  And you certainly don’t want to be dismissive of those who are bothered by these questions.</p>
<p>You must not defer them to others, claiming that “we have <a title="FAIR" href="http://www.fairlds.org/">apologists</a> who answer this stuff for us.”  That won’t cut it.  You’re now a General Authority and need to know the answers yourself.  Yes, it’s true that most members of the church have never heard these questions and don’t know that these are issues for some.  And yes, some members would be shocked to learn about all this.</p>
<p><strong>The challenge</strong></p>
<p>So your challenge is great.  How do you answer these questions without causing <a title="Doubt and testimony" href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Testimony_and_doubt_reconciliation">confusion or doubt</a> among the faithful members who do not question?  How do you respond to the one as the Savior taught?  Those who struggle with these questions are a relatively small number and yet they are very active on the Internet, where many people seek information on the church today.</p>
<p>At the same time, focusing on these questions and taking the time to research them, understand them and to be able to explain them is time consuming.  It takes away from one of the primary missions of the church to declare the gospel.  And yet, it fulfills another part of that mission by perfecting the saints.  Most of these questions are raised by <a title="DAMU" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/dealing-with-anti-mormon-attacks/">disaffected and former members</a>.</p>
<p><strong>A possible response</strong></p>
<p>It seems that we have failed a generation of bright and intelligent young people who have grown up on the Internet.  We did not anticipate what this amazing communication medium could do to supply facts and details about our history and doctrine.  It’s not that we’ve been purposely trying to hide anything from you. It’s just that you have been exposed to stuff earlier than we figured.</p>
<p>We wish it had been otherwise.  We would have preferred that you had knowledgeable mentors to guide you through your discovery of all these difficult issues.  We were aware of them and decided not to share them or at least not promote discussion of them in the church <a title="Church curriculum" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Curriculum">curriculum</a>.  We are seeing now that this may have been a mistake.  It was not our intention to deceive you.</p>
<p><strong>Personal responsibility</strong></p>
<p>We understand that many of you have felt shocked and betrayed when you first learn about these things.  Please don’t lose faith in the entire <a title="CES" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Church_Educational_System">church teaching system</a> that has brought you to the point you are now.  We should have found a way to inoculate you before you encountered these troublesome issues but were concerned that exposing you to them early could also be disastrous.</p>
<p>Please accept our apologies for not teaching you about these things in a more open and honest manner.  We accept the responsibility for our failings in this area and will work harder in the future to ensure that the upcoming generation does not have to suffer what you went through.  But we hope that you will also be just as responsible for your own <a title="Church History" href="http://www.lds.org/churchhistory">church history education</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>This is obviously just a thought exercise.  Please don’t seriously think that my ponderings here have anything to do with the reality of the way the church is responding to this problem.  You may legitimately wonder if some leaders in the church are even aware that this problem exists.  Perhaps those that are aware feel just as frustrated as you that we don’t address it more openly.</p>
<p>For those that have struggled or are struggling with questions like those I have listed, please be aware that there are many thousands of us who have faced and answered the same questions.  We recognize their potential impact to destroy faith, but have found that <a title="God is faithful" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_cor/10/13#13">God is faithful</a> and will send peace to the troubled heart.  Sometimes satisfactory answers will only come over the test of time.</p>
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		<title>Critical thinking among faithful Mormons</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 02:14:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I’m motivated to share this essay based on much recent dialog between myself and a reader who calls himself Evangelical. Mr. Evangelical seems to be intelligent and writes well but also seems to be under a false impression that Mormons &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/critical-thinking-among-faithful-mormons/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/SbXXHsMf6GI/AAAAAAAABAQ/G4X6gcj_vws/s1600-h/TranslatingBookOfMormon.jpg"><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5311387862676007010" style="FLOAT: left; MARGIN: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; WIDTH: 154px; CURSOR: pointer; HEIGHT: 200px" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/SbXXHsMf6GI/AAAAAAAABAQ/G4X6gcj_vws/s200/TranslatingBookOfMormon.jpg" border="0" /></a>I’m motivated to share this essay based on much recent dialog between myself and a reader who calls himself <a href="http://evangelicalapologist.blogspot.com/">Evangelical</a>. Mr. Evangelical seems to be intelligent and writes well but also seems to be under a false impression that <a href="http://www.mormon.org/">Mormons</a> can’t think for themselves and that they don’t know how to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking">think critically</a> or objectively.</p>
<p>You can read some of his comments on my essays, “<a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/03/are-mormons-christians.html">Are Mormons Christian?</a>” or “<a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-mormon-history-grant-palmer.html">The new Mormon History – Grant Palmer</a>”, “<a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/05/burning-of-bosom-feelings-from-god.html">Burning of the Bosom – Feelings from God</a>,” and “<a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/04/objections-to-book-of-abraham.html">Objections to the Book of Abraham</a>.” I’ve enjoyed our dialogs but have been mystified by his lack of understanding of the <a href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">Mormon testimony</a>.</p>
<p>I have tried several times to explain and clarify the process of <a href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">personal revelation</a> but he just doesn’t seem to get it. If you want to have an intelligent conversation with Mormons, I suggest that it would be extremely helpful to understand what we mean when we refer to our testimony. He seems to equate it to emotional feeling.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">The Mormon testimony</span></p>
<p>When Mormons say that they have a <a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Testimony">testimony</a>, it is usually the culmination of several things. It is a combination of much study, intense prayer, some fasting, perhaps the giving up of some long-held habits or ideas and most importantly, the receipt of knowledge imparted directly to the spirit through the <a href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a>.</p>
<p>And that’s the part on which I focus. I wonder if Mr. Evangelical thinks that we base our religious conviction purely on feelings, or more aptly, on emotions. As I tried to explain to him, feelings and emotions are two separate things. I don’t think I’m the only one that defines emotions as biological and feelings as spiritual.</p>
<p>It’s a difficult thing to define and even more difficult to explain the difference between the two, especially if you’ve never thought about it. We believe that one way God communicates with us is directly to our heart and mind. We call this <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;index=18&amp;sourceId=cbb29c57af139010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____">revelation</a>. Revelation is usually accompanied by feelings of the love of God.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">The heart and mind</span></p>
<p>That’s why the sharing of a testimony by a Mormon can be such an emotional thing. It can be difficult to control the emotions when one remembers the feelings of love that accompanied the revelation received when praying about some truth. However, it is not the emotional reaction that constitutes the receipt of a testimony.</p>
<p>A testimony is revealed knowledge from God on some subject. We usually do not receive revelation without requesting it in <a href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Prayer">prayer</a>. When it is received, it may not come all at once. It may take hours, days or longer to have a prayer answered and to know the mind and will of the Lord on a subject that we want to understand.</p>
<p>We cannot pray our way to an understanding of things. We have to study things out, make a decision and then take it to God in prayer to ask for a confirmation. If it is a correct decision, we will feel it in our heart and know it in our mind. That is a different kind of knowledge that the world does not generally understand.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Inspiration and revelation</span></p>
<p>One of the best ways I can think of to describe revelation is to equate it to the process of receiving <a href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Inspiration">inspiration</a>. Have you ever been faced with a problem and done some serious thinking about how to solve it? Then suddenly, perhaps when you are not thinking about it, an idea pops into your mind that helps to solve it?</p>
<p>We can safely call that inspiration. I attribute inspiration to God or to the influence of <a href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Angels">angels</a> or to the Holy Ghost. Revelation is similar but in addition to studying a subject out, you then come to your own conclusion and present it to the Lord in prayer, asking specifically for a confirmation to know if it is right or wrong.</p>
<p>Most faithful Mormons are very familiar with this process and use it often, both in their everyday life and in their work in the church. We can pray for inspiration and ideas then come to us. We study things out, come to conclusions, and then pray for revelation. Sometimes it comes right away and sometimes we must wait patiently.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Study it out in advance</span></p>
<p>The point of this essay is that you can’t just pray your way to revelation. Although there are times when revelation comes unrequested, as in warnings, for the most part, we must study our subject, think about it, ponder it, analyze it and then come to some sort of conclusion before we ask for a confirmation of our conclusion.</p>
<p>That’s where the process of critical thinking comes in. Sometimes we get hung up on wanting to fully understand a subject by making sure that we read the opposing viewpoints. Strangely enough, this is not a necessary part of the process in coming to a knowledge of the things of God. And that is where we get criticized so much.</p>
<p>I do not need to know what the people who hated Joseph Smith had to say about him when I study his life. It helps provide background and historical context but it is not required reading to be able to say that I have critically thought about the man and his claims. I can study his work and then go directly to God for confirmation.</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Criticism and critical thinking</span></p>
<p>The same is true for the process of studying the <a href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a>. I do not need to read the criticisms of the book to be able to say that I have studied it and am ready to present it to God to know if it contains truth. The Book of Mormon should be able to stand on its own, without supporting documentation or opposing criticism.</p>
<p>People who are educated are used to the process of considering critical reviews as part of their objective studies of a subject. Unfortunately, sometimes they forget to include original research in their studies and never get around to actually reading the Book of Mormon, or selected portions of it, with the intent to understand it.</p>
<p>The Lord called the Book of Mormon a <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/isa/29/14#14">marvelous work and a wonder</a>. I like that because it accurately identifies the method of the coming forth of the book to be very unorthodox. Angels, gold plates, <a href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Urim_and_Thummim">Urim and Thummim</a>, an uneducated farm boy – all these are unusual to say the least. How can one be objective about this?</p>
<p><span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Summary and conclusion</span></p>
<p>The Mormon testimony is not comprised solely of emotional feelings. Yes, it does contain that. Who could not help but be affected emotionally when God pours his love into your soul as part of the process of receiving a testimony? But the most important part of a testimony is the revealed knowledge that is spiritually received.</p>
<p>In order to receive the knowledge that we talk about when we <a href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Testimony_Bearing">bear our testimonies</a>, we must have met the requirements of studying a subject and pondering it in our hearts and minds. Only then can we take it to God in prayer and ask for a witness of the spirit that what we have studied, pondered and concluded is God’s word.</p>
<p>We invite all people everywhere to study our claims objectively, listen to what we have to say about modern revelation and then to take it to God in prayer in an effort to receive the promised witness of personal revelation. I and millions of others can and do share our personal witness that this process works as promised.</p>
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<p>LDS Scriptures that teach this basic doctrine:</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/3-5#3">Moroni 10:3-5</a> &#8211; The promise of a personal witness<br />2. <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/8/2-3#2">D&amp;C 8:2-3</a> &#8211; The spirit of revelation defined<br />3. <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/9/7-9#7">D&amp;C 9:7-9</a> &#8211; We must study it out first</p>
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		<title>Answering critics of the LDS faith</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 15:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have long been torn between two approaches to dealing with critics of our faith. I&#8217;m not sure if it is a good idea to answer their allegations or to simply ignore them. I guess it depends on how much &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/answering-critics-of-the-lds-faith/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/R_Ehmz5ybiI/AAAAAAAAAZo/hDjAUmNRDEo/s1600-h/InDefenseOfTruth.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/R_Ehmz5ybiI/AAAAAAAAAZo/hDjAUmNRDEo/s200/InDefenseOfTruth.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5183961596731485730" border="0" /></a>I have long been torn between two approaches to dealing with critics of our faith.  I&#8217;m not sure if it is a good idea to answer their allegations or to simply ignore them.  I guess it depends on how much their charges bother us.  The official response of the Church seems to have changed over the years in direct proportion to the number of articles published in the media that are false or misleading.</p>
<p>At one time we were much quieter and less responsive.  Things that I thought were outrageous and slanderous were met with not a peep.  Other things that I thought were obvious and petty elicited responses that seemed over-reactive and condemning.  Today, things are more even, measured and, in a word, professional.  I am no authority on the subject but I like the image Public Affairs presents to the world today.</p>
<p>There are many great websites out there that are doing an excellent job of answering the critics.  In reality, you can&#8217;t provide answers that will satisfy those who don&#8217;t believe there are answers.  We can only offer responses and correct information in an attempt to provide honest seekers of truth with facts that they can evaluate for themselves. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2007/12/sharing-gospel-using-new-media.html">Elder Ballard has asked</a> for more faithful members of the Church to share the truth about the gospel on the Internet and the new media.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><u>The best websites for LDS answers</u></span></p>
<p>Of course the best site is <a href="http://www.lds.org/">lds.org</a>.  It offers a tremendous resource of excellent material including conference talks, magazine articles, official curriculum, complete online scriptures, and links to hundreds of other official LDS sites.  In my opinion the best resource for answers to difficult questions can be found in the <a href="http://newsroom.lds.org/">LDS Newsroom</a> which I have used extensively in my recent posts.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t discount <a href="http://mormon.org/">Mormon.org</a>.  While the focus is on providing support material for the missionary discussions and therefore lacks depth, you can&#8217;t go wrong in using the answers found there.  The church web team went to a lot of work to present the wonderful content and videos.  You will also want to be sure to visit <a href="http://www.jesuschrist.lds.org/">JesusChrist.lds.org</a> for excellent articles and videos on the Savior.</p>
<p>I can only mention a few others here.  I have compiled a more complete list on the sidebar of this blog that I use extensively in my research. The <a href="http://www.moregoodfoundation.org/">MoreGood foundation</a> is always worth visiting as are <a href="http://www.fairlds.org/">FAIR</a> and <a href="http://www.shields-research.org/">Shields</a>.  Even though there are so many others, I must mention the extensive work that <a href="http://mormanity.blogspot.com/">Jeff Lindsay</a> has done over the years on his <a href="http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/index.html">LDS FAQ</a>.  It has always been extremely helpful.  I gave up my work in this area long ago because Jeff was doing such an awesome job.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><u>Answers to some basic allegations</u></span></p>
<p>In the past week I have responded to six common criticisms of those who are opposed to the work of the church.  They were conveniently presented as a comment to my Easter post, &#8220;<a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/03/are-mormons-christians.html">Are Mormons Christian</a>?&#8221;  The objections were offered by an anonymous reader so I imagine there was no real desire for a response.  An intelligent dialog requires that the participants at least identify themselves.  A respectful exchange invites understanding for each other&#8217;s viewpoints.</p>
<p>1. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/03/god-is-glorified-being-of-flesh-and.html">God is a glorified being of flesh and bones</a><br />2. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/03/doctrine-of-spiritual-brotherhood.html">The doctrine of spiritual brotherhood</a><br />3. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/03/book-of-mormon-brings-us-closer-to.html">The Book of Mormon brings us closer to Christ</a><br />4. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/03/authority-to-act-in-name-of-god.html">Authority to act in the name of God</a><br />5. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/03/why-cant-i-attend-mormon-wedding.html">Why can&#8217;t I attend a Mormon wedding?</a><br />6. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/03/practice-of-plural-marriage.html">The practice of plural marriage</a></p>
<p>In my experience there are two kinds of critics that we cannot help.  There are those who are convinced that their zeal in attacking us is providing a service to God and others who they want to impress.  Then there are the apostates and ex-Mormons who want only to justify their actions.  They will go to any length to make sure that everyone knows how hurt they have been by some real or imagined offense. I wish there was something we could do to ease their pain.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;"><u>Dealing with anti-Morman literature</u></span></p>
<p>I often reflect upon the words of Elder Bruce R. McConkie as he spoke about anti-Mormon literature.  He said he would sometimes read it for entertainment value and nothing more.  I suspect that he may have read it on occasion more for intellectual stimulation.  I used to have an extensive collection of books that were not flattering to the LDS faith.  I would refer to them in an effort to understand what our critics were saying and how they saw things.</p>
<p>For some reason the fact that I had such a collection came up in an interview with a good Stake President.  He counseled me to dispose of it.  I did so long ago and have not missed it especially since so much of the same material can be found today on the Internet with a simple search.  You do not have to go far to discover that there is still much animosity and false interpretations of our history and doctrine available to the public in thousands of anti-Mormon websites.</p>
<p>We do not shy away from the difficult questions if the seeker is legitimately wanting to know the answers.  For some questions there are no answers.  For others, the answer depends on the maturity of the individual asking the question or repeating the allegation that they have read elsewhere.  If you are sincere in wanting to understand something about our faith or doctrine I am more than happy to point you to some answers that have helped me over the years.</p>
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