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		<description><![CDATA[One of the ways to share the gospel online is to create a profile on Mormon.org and the answer the personal questions found there about how you live the gospel. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/my-interview-with-mormon-org/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.mormon.org"><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-613" title="MormonOrgOpeningPage" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/MormonOrgOpeningPage-300x186.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="186" /></a>On this Pioneer day, I decided to answer all the personal questions that you are asked when you fill out the profile on Mormon.org.  There are a whole lot more under the FAQ section (about 80) but that will have to wait for another day when I have more time.  I thoroughly enjoyed the process of answering these questions and felt like I was being interviewed, thus the title of this blog post.</p>
<p><strong>01. Please explain the part prayer plays in your life?</strong></p>
<p>Having grown up with daily prayer, I can’t imagine a day go by in which I don’t communicate with my Heavenly Father in prayer.  We start the day in prayer as a family asking for the Lord’s blessing upon us as we work.  We end the day in prayer the same way, usually kneeling by the bed, reporting our activities to God and thanking him for his help.  We give thanks for the food we eat at mealtimes and participate in public prayers in our weekly worship service.  It is through prayer and reading scriptures that I feel close to God and directed in my life.</p>
<p><strong>02. Which of the Savior’s teachings have influenced you in your life?</strong></p>
<p>The most powerful admonition of the Lord that has helped me find happiness in this life is his commandment that we love one another.  I remember this whenever I feel that I have been misunderstood or hurt by someone else, either intentionally or not.  It is so easy to take offense in this world but the end result is that we only hurt ourselves when we do that.  To love others is to trust in the Lord that he will help make everything all right, even if it doesn’t appear that way at first.  He also requires us to forgive others since we all make mistakes and errors in judgment. We show our love by forgiving.</p>
<p><strong>03. Please share your feelings/testimony of the Restoration of the Gospel.</strong></p>
<p>Even though I grew up hearing the Joseph Smith story I am still amazed as an adult to realize just how powerful his history really is.  Think about it!  Angels, gold plates, visits from God, Jesus Christ and ancient apostles and prophets – these are all miraculous events that we just don’t hear about everyday.  It is truly a marvelous thing to learn all that the Lord did through Joseph Smith, the Prophet of God.  I am especially grateful for revealed doctrines that clarified and corrected the errors of man in the many religions of the world.</p>
<p><strong>04. Please share your feelings/testimony of Joseph Smith.</strong></p>
<p>I have read at least a dozen biographies of the life of Joseph Smith, and continue to be amazed that the Lord was able to accomplish so much through this one man.  He was a prophet in every sense of the word in that the Lord revealed his will for us through him and continues to do so through the prophets that have followed.  But it was Joseph who paid so dearly with his life even though he did what the Lord told him to do in bringing forth the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.  I hold Joseph Smith in high regard and look forward to meeting him in the world to come.  I want to thank him for his faithfulness in translating the Book of Mormon.</p>
<p><strong>05. Why do Mormons go on missions?</strong></p>
<p>I went on a mission because I watched a video of the prophet asking all worthy young men to serve the Lord as missionaries.  As he shared his vision of how the gospel would go to all the world, I deeply felt a desire stirring within my soul to be a part of that great army of missionaries.  It was a major sacrifice for me to leave my studies and spend two years in Central America seeking out those who would respond to the Lord’s invitation to come unto him through baptism.  I loved my mission experience and found joy in testifying to the world that Jesus is the Christ, that Joseph Smith is a prophet of God and that the Book of Mormon is the word of God.  We go on missions because we are commanded to share the gospel and feel the desire to seek out and bring the message of the truth to all who will receive it.</p>
<p><strong>06. Why do Mormons do family history or genealogy work?</strong></p>
<p>Besides being a commandment to seek out our ancestors, we do family history research because we feel a desire to know and appreciate the story of those to whom we are indebted for our very lives.  I am a product of all those who came before me.  My parents were influenced by their parents and they were who they were because of their parents and so on back as far as we can discover.  Once we have the basic facts of their lives such as names and dates, we are privileged to go to the temple and perform proxy ordinances for them so that they too may meet the commandments of the Lord to be baptized and enter into covenants of exaltation.  We do family history work so we can be saviors on Mt Zion (Obadiah 1:21).</p>
<p><strong>07. How has attending Church services helped you?</strong></p>
<p>One of the highlights of my week is to attend church services each Sunday.  I serve in a leadership capacity in my church, and attend a few more meetings besides the regular three-hour block of Sacrament, Sunday school and Priesthood meetings.  I love the interaction with others who believe as I do and feel as I do about trying to follow the teachings of the Savior.  I say try because nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes each week.  That’s another reason why I love to go to church each Sunday – I get to renew my baptism covenants by taking the Sacrament each week.  I learn more of the gospel of Jesus Christ in these church services and feel a unity with God and with my fellow saints as we worship God and Jesus Christ together.</p>
<p><strong>08. What has helped develop greater harmony in your home?</strong></p>
<p>Like everyone else, I have experienced moments of argument and disharmony in my home which leave me feeling frustrated, resentful, hurt or angry.  I do not like such feelings, especially in my home where I want to relax and feel happy, safe and secure.  So over the years, I have made a greater effort each day to promote harmony and unity by not arguing and not finding fault with my family members.  I was not very good at this as a youth and so I appreciate the blessings that have come to me as an adult as I try to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ to love others, especially members of my own family, who need and deserve my love the most.  We can have a harmonious home by practicing kindness and forgiveness.</p>
<p><strong>09. What have you done successfully to shield your family from unwanted influences?</strong></p>
<p>Of all the teachings of the church about family, this idea of keeping out the world has been the most difficult but the most rewarding.  Television and the Internet are two of the most challenging types of media to monitor and control.  We believe in freedom so we encourage each other to seek after virtuous and uplifting material.  So the shield we put into place is not anything controlling such as “thou shalt not!”  It is more of making sure that we understand the differences that certain material, music or entertainment can produce, compared to the results of worthy content.  We seek out and support worthy entertainment and uplifting media content and pray constantly that we will each desire such material over the worldly offerings.</p>
<p><strong>10. Could you talk about your baptism?</strong></p>
<p>I was eight years old when I was baptized and for me, that is a long time ago.  My father, who was a recent convert, had to work the evening of my baptism, so he was unable to perform the ordinance.  I was baptized by a young man who was preparing to serve a mission.  My father was able to confirm me a member of the church the next day and I remember the special feelings that came to me as he conferred upon me the gift of the Holy Ghost.  I remember my primary teacher was there and gave me a picture of the Savior mounted on a small piece of wood.  I still treasure that memento and the words of encouragement that she penned on the back.  I’m sure I did not understand all the implications of the covenants I was making at eight years old, but I have come to appreciate the blessings of this ordinance more and more each Sunday as I take the Sacrament and remember what the Savior miraculously did for me in taking upon himself the effects of my sins upon conditions of repentance.  It is baptism that makes my repentance possible.</p>
<p><strong>11. Why/How do you share the gospel with your friends?</strong></p>
<p>I am not a very outgoing person so I believe that the best way I can share the gospel with others is through providing a good example of following the teachings of the Savior.  I have been amazed over the years as I see the influence that my behavior has on others.  I feel it brings respect and a kind of trust that can come in no other way.  I am sometimes surprised that people, including co-workers, will unsolicited confide in me details of problems they are working out and seek my advice and opinion.  I am then able to share my beliefs that following the teachings of Jesus Christ can and does help me deal with problems and that it can help them too.  Because I am shy, I find great comfort in sharing my feelings about the gospel online and am an active LDS blogger.  I also use modern technology like Facebook and Twitter to share my life.  The gospel comes up in the natural course of sharing things online and results in online dialogs in non-threatening and informative way.</p>
<p><strong>12. How does making right choices help us make more right choices?</strong></p>
<p>When we choose the right even when it is hard to do, we strengthen our character and develop integrity.  Deciding to do the right thing one time makes it easier to do the right thing the next time.  Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have the added advantage of the gift of the Holy Ghost.  This gift helps us understand what the right thing to do is in difficult situations.  When we decide to follow the impressions of the Holy Ghost in making life’s choices, we show God that we value and appreciate this gift.  The impressions of the spirit will then become stronger or easier to recognize and we can grow in always making right choices.  Of course, being mortal, we will all make mistakes.  The Holy Ghost can also help us repent and make better choices in the future.</p>
<p><strong>13. In what ways have your prayers been answered?</strong></p>
<p>There are so many countless examples over the years that it is hard to share just one or two.  Perhaps the most dramatic for me was on the day that I proposed to my wife.  After I returned home from my mission, I had been praying for quite some time to find a woman who believed as I did and with whom I could be happy.  I was dating my wife’s best friend but the chemistry was just not there.  One day my wife invited me to a ball game and I told her about my troubles getting her friend to like me.  I could see that her feelings were hurt. The next day I visited her in her home and had a long conversation about life and marriage and family.  I had some very powerful spiritual feelings as I was talking to her that I knew were an answer to my prayers.  I proposed on the spot and we were married a few months later.  The Lord helped me with one of the most important decisions of my life.</p>
<p><strong>14. What are you doing to help strengthen your family and make it successful?</strong></p>
<p>My role in the family is to provide security and stability – both financial and spiritual.  I enjoy my responsibility to work and earn the money that we need to have a home, food, clothing and other necessities of life.  But more importantly, I enjoy my responsibility to provide spiritual direction for my family.  We are strengthened by attending church together, by praying and reading the scriptures together and by pursuing worthwhile family goals.  For example, my wife and I take classes at the local community college in the evenings in an effort to improve ourselves and keep our minds active.  We are strengthened as we work together as a family to accomplish good things with our lives and to provide service in our church and our community.  The gospel of Jesus Christ helps us in this endeavor.</p>
<p><strong>15. How has your knowledge of the Plan of Happiness changed/benefited your life?</strong></p>
<p>Sometimes this life can be a drag on the spirit because of all the disappointments and setbacks that come as a natural part of living in this world.  Understanding the Plan of Happiness helps me to realize that such setbacks are temporary.  I remain convinced that the Lord is very involved in my life and wants to help me through my journey until I am ready to return to his presence in the life to come.  Knowing that I lived before I came to this world to experience mortality helps me to have a bigger picture of things.  Knowing that I will live in the world to come and that I will someday be resurrected with a glorious and eternal body give me hope that goes beyond the drudgery and dullness that this life can sometimes be.  The Plan of Happiness is just that – a plan for me to find and achieve happiness through faith in Jesus Christ, repentance and enduring to the end of mortality true to what I know.</p>
<p><strong>16. What is hope and what do you hope for?</strong></p>
<p>Hope is the belief and conviction that there is purpose and meaning to this life.  Hope is the understanding that even though we pass through trials and troubles, we can have the assurance that our experiences are for our good and will cause us to grow.  I hope for a glorious resurrection.  I know that this is dependant upon my personal righteousness and my works of faith in this life.  Yes, the resurrection is a free gift to all men, but we believe that the quality of our lives in the hereafter is very much dependant on our actions here.  This life is a time of testing and proving and we can hope that our efforts in struggling against opposition in this world will be rewarded by a just and merciful God who wants to bless and help us through it.</p>
<p><strong>17. How has the Book of Mormon helped you understand the purpose of life?</strong></p>
<p>In the Book of Mormon we read that “men are that they might have joy” (2 Nephi 2:25).  I can’t think of any more concise and explicit scriptural reference that helps us understand the purpose of life.  Of course, the Book of Mormon provides a lot more insight into how we go about finding that joy and even helps us to understand what true joy is.  One of my favorite stories in the Book of Mormon is the prophet Lehi’s dream about the Tree of Life (1 Nephi 8).  In his dream he partakes of the fruit of the tree which is desirable to make one happy and is sweet above all that he had ever before tasted.  Eating of the fruit fills our soul with exceedingly great joy.  The fruit of course is the love of God and we obtain it by holding fast to the Word of God that is represented by the Rod of Iron in Lehi’s dream.  What a great story!</p>
<p><strong>18. How has the Holy Ghost helped you?</strong></p>
<p>I consider the Gift of the Holy Ghost one of the greatest blessings in my life.  There have been so many instances in which I have been helped by the Holy Ghost that it is hard to imagine getting through this life without this wonderful gift.  The Holy Ghost inspires me and encourages me to do things that are hard to do but that result in happiness for me and for others in my life.  The Holy Ghost has warned me of danger many times, prompting me to stay away from certain things and places.  The Holy Ghost has helped me by prompting me to a certain course of action that I otherwise might not have considered.  The Holy Ghost has been my constant companion in my work, helping me to remember things that, if forgotten, could have been the cause of much distress or pain.  The Holy Ghost has comforted me in times of sorrow and distress, helping me to feel the love of my Heavenly Father and my Savior even when I do not feel worthy of their love.</p>
<p><strong>19. What blessings have come through your faith in Jesus Christ?</strong></p>
<p>It is because of my faith in Jesus Christ that I am able to get through some of the more difficult aspects of my life.  For example, it is hard for me to do things in a public setting.  But I have been taught and believe that it will be for my good.  The Lord has promised me through the scriptures that he will help me through these difficult circumstances as I exercise faith in him.  And like everyone in this world, I am no stranger to making mistakes and poor choices, even when I know better.  It is through my faith in Jesus Christ that I put into practice one of my favorite little sayings that helps me keep going: “Success is not in never falling, but in getting up each and every time we fall.”  I know that I can be a better person than my fallen human nature would dictate, and it is through faith in Jesus Christ that I am willing to make greater effort each day to be the man that I know he would have me be.</p>
<p><strong>20. How can we develop greater harmony in our homes?</strong></p>
<p>One of the best ways I know of to live in harmony as a family is to do all within our power to avoid criticism, cutting remarks or any attempt to make another family member feel less than loved.  We do this by sharing the same ideals and goals – to seek happiness in living the gospel of Jesus Christ.  Where some family members may not have fully accepted the vision of the gospel, we can provide an example of tolerance and patience with them, just as our Heavenly Father and our Savior do with us.  Fighting, arguing, bickering and contemptuous behavior toward any family member is not the way to have peace and harmony in our homes.  Thus, we pray each day that such undesirable activities are mitigated by expressing love and kindness in all that we do.  We are each at differing levels of maturity in our understanding of this concept, so it is up to those who do, to live it better each day.</p>
<p><strong>21. Can you think of a specific challenge in your family that Gospel Principles helped overcome?</strong></p>
<p>Like most families, we have experienced our share of challenges that have tested our faith and caused us to lean deeply on our understanding of the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ to overcome.  For example, my wife and I have both lost parents to death, have had our share of serious health problems, including cancer, and have suffered through multiple seasons of financial stress due to unexpected unemployment.  In addition, we have been pained as not all family members have accepted our faith in the restored gospel of Jesus Christ.  But it is because of the teachings of Christ that we are encouraged to be patient, that we are comforted when discouraged, that we are inspired when distressed and that we are given strength when we feel weak.  We go on and we press forward, believing that it will all work out for our good, either in this life or in the life to come.  We meet those challenges with strength knowing that we are not alone and that God has promised to help us through them if we will but exercise our faith in Jesus Christ and remain true and faithful to him.</p>
<p><strong>22. How can your talents and gifts bless others?</strong></p>
<p>In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we believe that God gives gifts to each member for the purpose of blessing and supporting each other in this life.  Some of those gifts and talents are more obvious, such as singing, musical ability, acting, performing or even a talent to be able to speak with confidence in front of the congregation (trust me, not all members have this talent).  But the scriptures teach that God gives some gift or talent to every member.  Perhaps one is blessed with the ability to be a good listener, another to share heart-felt testimony of how they know the church to be true, others with the gift of teaching children or even just the talent of being able to live peacefully among their neighbors.  When we share our talents and gifts with others, God blesses us and we are “magnified” or made more effective so that others can receive the same benefits that we enjoy.</p>
<p><strong>23. Think about your everyday activities. What are things you act upon each day where you cannot see the end results? How does faith move you to action?</strong></p>
<p>A very simple everyday activity for me that is an act of faith is prayer.  I have never seen an angel or heard a voice in response to my prayers, but I continue to pray each day, believing that God does hear and answer my prayers.  And indeed he has – by sending the comforting feelings of the Holy Ghost to bless and confirm to me that he loves me and wants me to know the truth for myself.  My faith in God and my trust in the words of his prophets as found in the scriptures causes me to continue to pray both as an individual, with my family, in my congregation and in the homes of other members of the church that I visit.  The end results of my prayers are not always evident right way but are just as certain as if I had seen the effects at the time of the prayer.  I am confident; yes I can say that I know, that God hears and answers our prayers that are offered in faith and with real intent.</p>
<p><strong>24. How has the Book of Mormon brought you closer to God?</strong></p>
<p>I first read the Book of Mormon when I was very young – probably 5 or 6 years old.  I read it out loud with my mother, who was a schoolteacher.  Our family had recently joined the Mormon Church so this was also my mother’s first time reading the Book of Mormon.  I remember the special feelings I had as we read it together.  I felt a warm and comforting spirit as I read. I have read the Book of Mormon many times in the many years since I first read it.  In fact, there is not a year that goes by in which we do not read from it either individually or as a family.  No matter how many times we read the same passages, we always seem to learn something new or have our faith in the truthfulness of the book reaffirmed.  The same warm feelings always return. But it is by following the principles of the gospel that are written in the Book of Mormon that we draw closer to God.  It is in the pages of the Book of Mormon that we learn more about the purpose of life and God’s plan of happiness for us.  The Book of Mormon teaches us to study things out and to pray about them that we may know of their truthfulness for ourselves.</p>
<p><strong>25. Can you talk about the missions of the Church and your participation in them?</strong></p>
<p>Up until recently, we as members of church recited the mission of the church as follows: to preach the gospel, redeem the dead and to perfect the saints.  Within the past year, a fourth mission has been added: to care for the poor and the needy.  We now call these four areas of focus simply the purposes of the church.  In my life, I have participated in each of these areas by serving a mission and continuing to share the gospel, by doing family history or genealogy work and by magnifying my callings to serve in the church as a teacher, leader or whatever I’m asked to do.  I’m grateful to be able to assist in caring for the poor and the needy by contributing money to the fast offering funds of the church and by volunteering to serve food at the local homeless shelter on a regular basis.  These missions or purposes of the church help me as an individual member focus on what is really important to our Heavenly Father – to save his children, both temporally and spiritually.</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The ordinances introduce us but the endowment is not complete until we have come into the heavenly presence and have been instructed in the things of eternity. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/endowmentmorethanordinances/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-456" title="christinamerica" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/christinamerica-150x150.jpg" alt="christinamerica" width="150" height="150" />The <a title="Temple Endowment" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Temple_endowment">endowment</a> that we receive in the Lord’s <a title="Mormon Temples" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_Temples">temples</a> today is not the complete endowment that the Savior intends us to have.  The <a title="Temple Ordinances" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Temple_Ordinances">ordinances</a> introduce us but the endowment is not complete until we have come into the <a title="Religious experience" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Religious_Experience">heavenly presence</a> and have been instructed in the <a title="Things of eternity" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=4c091f26d596b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">things of eternity</a>.</p>
<p>You may ask, “If there is more to the endowment than what I have been taught in the temple, then why hasn’t someone explained it to me?”  A careful reading of <a title="Scriptures" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Scriptures">scripture</a> revealed in these last days contains all we need to know to fully understand that there is more, much more to it.</p>
<p><strong>The redemptive mission of the Savior</strong></p>
<p>In his role as our <a title="Redeemer" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/tg/j/58">Redeemer</a>, a <a title="JST Matt 3:38-40" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/jst/34">primary mission</a> of the <a title="Savior" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Savior">Savior</a> is to <a title="Baptism" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Baptism">baptize</a> us with the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a> and with <a title="Baptism of fire" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Baptism_of_Fire_and_the_Holy_Ghost">fire</a>.  He did not complete <a title="Matt 3:11" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/3/11#11">that mission</a> with his <a title="Disciples of Christ" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Disciples_of_Christ">disciples</a> in <a title="Jerusalem" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Jerusalem">Jerusalem</a> while he was among them, explaining that he <a title="John 16:7" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/16/7#7">had to go away</a> first in order for them to receive this <a title="Comforter" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/14/16,26#16">sacred gift</a>.</p>
<p>He also said that his apostles would do greater works than he did. In other words, they would give the gift of the Holy Ghost, which he had not yet done. It wasn’t until after he was resurrected that he gave them the gift of the Holy Ghost and the authority to give this gift unto others.</p>
<p><strong>Receive the Holy Ghost</strong></p>
<p>This is a major part of the ministry of Jesus that continues to this day as we are confirmed members of the Savior’s church. Interestingly, the wording of the ordinance is in the form of a command, “Receive the Holy Ghost.”  This honors agency and requires us to make an effort.</p>
<p>I think we can safely say that there are millions of people who have been baptized, and have been given the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, but have not yet received it.  Even the apostles were with the Savior forty days after he gave the gift before they finally received it.</p>
<p><strong>Promise of the Father</strong></p>
<p>One can be given a powerful gift, or the right to receive it, but unless it is actually received, it has no real effective power.  The Savior taught that we will receive power after the Holy Ghost has come upon us.  So until we receive this power, the Lord’s mission is not complete for us.</p>
<p>The Savior made it clear several times that the gift of the Holy Ghost is a promise from our Heavenly Father.  Along with the promise of a Savior, this gift was promised before this world was created.  It is the Savior that baptizes us with fire and the Holy Ghost.  This fills us with great power.</p>
<p><strong>We must seek this gift</strong></p>
<p>I wonder how much our missionaries truly understand and teach their investigators that there is another step to their baptism that they must complete on their own after the ordinance is performed.  I sense that too many new converts do not continue on the path to be baptized by fire.</p>
<p>We must ask for it in humble and earnest prayer.  We must hunger and thirst after this gift.  As Paul said, we must covet this gift.  It is a pearl of great price that is worth all that we pay for it and more.  Even if years of effort and sacrifice are required to obtain it, we are commanded to do so.</p>
<p><strong>Temple ordinances part of the process</strong></p>
<p>We strive to ensure that converts receive the ordinances of the temple a year after they are baptized and confirmed.  The temple ordinances serve two purposes.  They give us the promised blessings of the family sealing ordinance and prepare us further to receive baptism with the Holy Ghost.</p>
<p>Being baptized with fire is a requirement of the Lord to enter into his kingdom.  I believe it is analogous to being born again.  It completes the process of baptism when we are immersed in the fire of the Holy Ghost.  The temple endowment helps us to understand and complete that step.</p>
<p><strong>Endowed with power</strong></p>
<p>The translators of the New Testament used the word endue to describe the process of fulfilling the Father’s promise to all those who believe in Jesus Christ as Redeemer and are baptized in his name.  Endue could also have been rendered to clothe, invest or to endow, as in give power.</p>
<p>The Lord used the word endow to Joseph Smith when he commanded him to build a temple in Kirtland so that he could endow the Saints with power from on high.  It was in the Kirtland temple that so many rich and powerful outpourings of the Holy Ghost were received by the faithful.</p>
<p><strong>More than the ordinances</strong></p>
<p>The endowment consists of so much more than the ordinances of the temple.  The ordinances are just the starting point for what the Savior has in mind for us when he promises to endow us with power.  There is great power in the ordinances but there is additional power beyond that.</p>
<p>The additional power is found when we are consumed with the burning of the Holy Spirit within us, strengthening our desire and commitment to submit our will to God’s.  It is found as we strive to be born again and to be visited by fire and the Holy Ghost as were the Lamanites in <a title="Helaman 5:45" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/hel/5/45#45">Hel 5:45</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Pattern found in Third Nephi</strong></p>
<p>In the book of Third Nephi we read the account of the righteous that were spared and visited by the Lord after his resurrection and ascension in Jerusalem.  Towards the end of the year in which great destructions accompanied the Savior’s crucifixion, the saints gathered at the temple.</p>
<p>Some 2,500 people were to become witnesses that day that Jesus Christ is the Savior to the entire world.  They went forth and felt the nail marks in his hands and in his feet and thrust their hands into the wound in his side.  They then knew with personal first-hand knowledge that he lives.</p>
<p><strong>Witnesses know for themselves</strong></p>
<p>Because of this personal knowledge, they were witnesses in a way that nobody could ever dispute.  They had seen him and they had touched him.  No matter what anybody else said, they knew that Jesus lives and is a real being with a resurrected body of flesh and bones like man.</p>
<p>And yet they lacked something.  When the Savior had announced in the darkness of the destruction earlier that year that he would visit them, he promised that he would baptize them with fire and with the Holy Ghost, thus fulfilling his mission as he tried to do among the Jews in Jerusalem.</p>
<p><strong>The endowment begins</strong></p>
<p>It was the end of the first day and the Savior announced that he would leave and come back the next day.  Yet, their faith kept him there and began the events of something extraordinary that he had wanted to do in Jerusalem but which he could not do there because of the lack of faith.</p>
<p>Because of his love for them, the Savior first attended to their physical infirmities and brought their children to the center of attention.  He then led them in mighty prayer, blessed the children and directed the attention of the multitude to the angels that were descending to minister to them.</p>
<p><strong>In the midst of fire</strong></p>
<p>The angels appeared “as it were, in the midst of fire.”  I contend that this is the baptism of fire of which the Lord has tried to teach us many times.  This immersion in the heavenly element constitutes the fullness of the endowment that he promised to them and still promises even to us today.</p>
<p>This is the same experience that the Lamanites enjoyed in <a title="Helaman 5:45" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/hel/5/45#45">Helaman 5:45</a> when they were encircled about by a pillar of fire.  The Lord said that they were baptized with fire and knew it not.  This is also the process of transfiguration that completes the promises found in the endowment.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 01:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the delightful parts of a stake temple night is the opportunity to be taught by a member of the temple presidency.  I once asked my stake president about divine manifastations in the temple. <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/divine-manifestations-must-have-a-purpose/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-436" title="elijahkey" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/elijahkey-150x150.jpg" alt="elijahkey" width="150" height="150" />One of the delightful parts of a <a title="Stake" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake">stake</a> <a title="Mormon Temples" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_Temples">temple</a> night is the opportunity to be taught by a member of the <a title="Temple President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Temple_President">temple presidency</a>.  On one particular occasion many years ago, the Temple President felt inspired to relate a few stories that patrons had shared with him about <a title="Manifestations" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/tg/m/34">spiritual manifestations</a> that they had received while serving in the <a title="Los Angeles" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Los_Angeles_California_Temple">LA temple</a>.  It was an uplifting and edifying session.</p>
<p>I was very impressed with what the Temple President spoke about that evening.  He related some very sacred experiences of visits from the other side of <a title="Veil" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/gs/v/2">the veil</a> from deceased family members for whom the <a title="Temple Ordinances" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Temple_Ordinances">work</a> was being done.  He gave specific examples of what people saw, heard or felt that was evidence to them of the validity of this work and that it is accepted by their relatives.</p>
<p><strong>A conversation with my Stake President</strong></p>
<p>While preparing to leave the temple that evening, I conversed with my <a title="Stake President" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake_President">Stake President</a> about the things the Temple President had taught us in our chapel session.  I had served with this Stake President for several years on the <a title="High Council" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/High_Council">High Council</a> and felt comfortable sharing heartfelt concerns.  I knew that he would carefully consider what I had to say before answering with thoughtfulness.</p>
<p>“President”, I said, “I’ve been coming to this temple <a title="My experience with the temple" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/my-experience-with-the-temple/">since I was twelve years old</a>.  In fact, I was six years old when I was sealed here to my parents.  I have <a title="Blessings of the Temple" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-blessings-of-the-lds-temple/">many sacred memories</a> of this place.  I was <a title="Temple endowment" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Temple_endowment">endowed</a> here when I was nineteen and married to my sweetheart not too many years after completing <a title="Teach and testify" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-teaching-and-testifying-missionary/">my mission</a>.  I have participated in several thousand <a title="Ordinances" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ordinances">ordinances</a> here in this temple.</p>
<p><strong>Sacred temple manifestations</strong></p>
<p>“So why is it that I have never experienced any of these kinds of sacred manifestations that the temple president described?”  As I expected, he thought for a few minutes while we continued to change back into our street clothes after the evening’s temple work was completed.  After a moment, he paused, put his hand on my shoulder and then responded very slowly and carefully.</p>
<p>“Brother Malone, some people do not require manifestations to be faithful.  The Lord knows their hearts and knows what they need.  You apparently do not need any additional evidence that the work being performed in these temples is valid and acceptable to both the Lord and to those for whom it is performed.  Your years of faithfulness are proof that you know the work is true.”</p>
<p><strong>The Lord bears witness</strong></p>
<p>He was right, of course.  I didn’t need a manifestation to know that the work being done in the <a title="Temples" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Temples">temples</a> is of eternal significance and validity.  I had known that since I was a child and had never doubted it.  I thought about his response and realized that there was never an occasion when I attended the temple that I didn’t feel the warmth and comfort of <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Holy_Ghost">the spirit of the Lord.</a></p>
<p>It was just another piece of evidence to me that the Spirit of the Lord is always present when <a title="Ordinances" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Ordinances">priesthood ordinances</a> are performed, especially in <a title="House of the Lord" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?index=20&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=b1747c2fc20b8010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">the House of the Lord</a>.  I didn’t need any additional evidence because I had the <a title="Gift of the Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gift_of_the_Holy_Ghost">constant companionship</a> of the Lord each time I sat in an endowment session or knelt across the <a title="Inside a Mormon Temple" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Inside_Mormon_Temples">altar in a sealing</a> session.  Yes, I knew the work was true.</p>
<p><strong>To uplift and edify</strong></p>
<p>I have the same kind of experience each week when I attend <a title="Sacrament meeting" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Sacrament_Meeting">Sacrament meeting</a>, and especially in a <a title="Testimony meeting" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Fast_and_Testimony_Meeting">testimony meeting</a>.  There is just something special about attending church each week and partaking of the <a title="Sacrament" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Sacrament">Sacrament</a>.  I just feel different by the end of the meeting.  I feel happy and feel that my burdens have been lifted.  It never fails.  I feel this strengthening each week after church.</p>
<p>This uplifting feeling is always the same whether I am conducting the meeting as a member of the <a title="Bishopric" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Bishopric">Bishopric</a>, or just sitting in the congregation as a regular member of the ward.  I love to hear members of my ward teach the gospel from the pulpit and share their feelings about the truth of what they have learned and have taught.  Sacrament meeting is always uplifting and edifying.</p>
<p><strong>Testimony meetings</strong></p>
<p>Last Sunday I sat in our monthly ward testimony meeting and thought about the different kinds of <a title="Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">testimonies</a> I was hearing.  The Bishop was short and succinct.  He bore witness of the <a title="Elder Oaks on Testimony" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=8502558fcc599110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">five basic points</a> of an LDS testimony and then sat down, inviting others to share their testimonies.  I got up and rambled a little bit about testimonies and then bore witness of the same five points.</p>
<p>As we progressed through the meeting, I noted that some members talked about experiences that demonstrated to them that the Lord knew them personally and that he hears and answers their <a title="Prayer" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Prayer">prayers</a>.  Others spoke about the <a title="Trials" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Trials">trials</a> through which they were passing and then concluded with assertions that they knew the Lord loved them would not leave them comfortless in their trials.</p>
<p><strong>When we say “I know”</strong></p>
<p>I listened very closely to each testimony waiting for the phrases “I know” and “I believe.”  I think I heard “I believe” maybe once or twice.  “I know” was used by the majority of those who shared their testimonies.  I know these people and know that when they say that they know that the church is true, and that the <a title="Book of Mormon" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Book_of_Mormon">Book of Mormon</a> is the word of God, they mean it sincerely.</p>
<p>I was listening closely because of <a title="There is no middle ground" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/there-is-no-middle-ground/">recent conversation</a> with readers of my blog about testimonies and what it means to say <a title="Only true and living church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">the church is true</a>.  I now try to qualify what I mean when I say that by adding some additional phrases like, “because <a title="Angels" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Angels">angels</a> conferred <a title="Keys of the Priesthood" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Keys_of_the_Priesthood">priesthood keys</a> upon the Prophet <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Joseph_Smith">Joseph Smith</a>,” and “because angels <a title="Ordination to the Priesthood" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Ordination_to_the_Priesthood">ordained</a> Joseph Smith and gave him priesthood authority.”</p>
<p><strong>Authority and the true church</strong></p>
<p>You see, this <a title="Authority" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Authority">authority</a> thing is very important to me.  I’ve had a lot of dialogs with visitors to Latter-day Commentary about this very important subject.  I’ve tried to share with them that the idea of priesthood authority is one of the most important aspects of a church that claims to be the true church of Jesus Christ.  Ordinances of <a title="Salvation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Salvation">salvation</a> require God’s authority to perform them.</p>
<p>That’s all we really mean when we say that we are the true church.  We are simply saying that angels came from the <a title="Spirit world" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Spirit_World">spirit world</a> and gave Joseph Smith divine permission to do what he did in establishing the Church of Jesus Christ upon the earth again in these latter days.  Of course, the idea that angels have visited man in our day is a very difficult thing for some people to accept.</p>
<p><strong>Angels, visions and revelation</strong></p>
<p>I have never seen an angel.  I have had no divine <a title="Visions" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Visions">vision</a> with my natural eyes.  I have never heard an audible voice from the spirit world. Yet I have never questioned that <a title="First Vision" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/First_Vision">Joseph Smith saw God</a>, was visited by <a title="Moroni" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Moroni">angels</a>, <a title="Doctrine and Covenants" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Doctrine_and_Covenants">received revelations</a> and brought forth the Book of Mormon by the <a title="D&amp;C 1:29" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/1/29#29">gift and power of God</a>.  Some of my readers find it fantastic that I can believe Joseph was a <a title="Mormon prophet" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Mormon_prophet">prophet</a>.</p>
<p>How is this possible?  On what basis do I stand and say “I know that God lives, that Jesus is the Christ, that the Book of Mormon is the word of God, that Joseph was a prophet and that this is the true church of Jesus Christ with a prophet at the head today?”  If I have not seen God or Jesus, and was not there when Joseph brought forth the Book or Mormon, <a title="What do Mormon's believe" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/What_do_Mormons_believe">how am I a witness</a>?</p>
<p><strong>Divine manifestations must have a purpose</strong></p>
<p>In all my years in this church, I don’t think I have ever met anyone who said to me, “Yes, I saw God.  He visited me and told me…”  I have never had someone say to me, “I was praying very earnestly one night and the Lord appeared to me to tell me that he loved me and that my sins were forgiven.”  I have also never heard anyone relate to me that they were visited by an angel.</p>
<p>Now perhaps you know people who have received such manifestations or maybe you have been the recipient of angelic visitations.  I think that’s wonderful.  I assume the visits had a purpose.  I guess I’ve never felt the need for divine manifestations beyond what I <a title="While at Rick's College" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-different-kind-of-religious-education/">have already received</a> when I was young as I prayed to know that the Book of Mormon was indeed the word of God.</p>
<p><strong>We live far beneath our privileges</strong></p>
<p>When I was seventeen I was extremely motivated to obtain a manifestation from God about my standing before him and to know if the Book of Mormon was what Joseph said it was.  I obtained both of those witnesses and <a title="Answered prayers before Mission" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-call-for-more-personal-revelation/">a few more</a> that the Lord felt were needed in order to help me fulfill my purpose in life.  I’ve been coasting on those manifestations for the past thirty-five years.</p>
<p>I’m wondering if I’ve been coasting too long.  Our former stake president, now serving as a mission president, often repeated this from <a title="Brigham Young" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Brigham_Young">Brigham Young</a>.  He said, “[We] may have the Spirit of the Lord to . . . direct [us]. . . . I am satisfied, however, that, in this respect, <a title="From Discourses of Brigham Young" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?hideNav=1&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=71719c84f5d6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD">we live far beneath our privileges</a>.&#8221;  Is there more the Lord wants us to have besides what he has already given us?</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>The Lord reveals himself to man when he has a purpose or a mission for them to perform.  He sends angels to instruct man and teach him about the work that he wants performed.  He sends his spirit to assure men and women that the work in which they are engaged is divine.  He gives <a title="Gifts of he spirit" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Gifts_of_the_Spirit">gifts of the spirit</a> to help us do his work.  For Joseph, one needed gift was the <a title="Gift of translation" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/5/4,30#4">power to translate</a>.</p>
<p>When I needed to know that the church and the Book of Mormon were of divine origin, the Lord sent his spirit and confirmed these things in my heart and mind.  Over the years, that same spirit has encouraged and motivated me to ever increasing faithfulness and obedience.  Is the Lord willing to provide additional manifestations, and if so, what is the purpose they would serve?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I could have sworn that I already wrote this essay but realized after some digging that the main points were developed as part of a long dialog with my Evangelical friend in the comments section of several of my early &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/a-different-kind-of-knowledge/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-thumbnail wp-image-349" title="missionaries" src="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/missionaries-150x150.jpg" alt="missionaries" width="150" height="150" />I could have sworn that I already wrote this essay but realized after some digging that the main points were developed as part of a long dialog with my <a title="Only true church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-only-true-and-living-church/">Evangelical friend</a> in the comments section of several of my <a title="Book of Abraham" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/objections-to-the-book-of-abraham/">early articles</a>.  I also thought about entitling this, “Why we say ‘I know’ and not ‘I believe’,” but I’m not sure that it fully describes what I want to cover in this post.</p>
<p>The main thesis for my essay can be taken from a story about tasting salt and this statement from <a title="Boyd K. Packer" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/president-boyd-k-packer">Boyd K. Packer</a>: “My friend, spiritually speaking, <a title="I have tasted salt" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mormons-are-brainwashed-lying-for-the-lord/">I have tasted salt</a>. I am no more able to convey to you in words how this knowledge has come than you are to tell me what salt tastes like.”  You would have to read “<a title="The Candle of the Lord" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=b4bbc5e8b4b6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1">The Candle of the Lord</a>” again to get the background if you don’t recall it.</p>
<p><strong>The bearing of testimonies</strong></p>
<p>A huge bone of contention and point of offense with some within the church is the fact that we get up each <a title="Fast Sunday" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Fast_Sunday">Fast Sunday</a> and say to each other, “I know <a title="Only true church" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/for-they-were-all-wrong/">the church is true</a>.  I know the <a title="Book or Mormon" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-book-of-mormon-brings-us-closer-to-christ/">Book of Mormon</a> is the word of God.  I know that <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-visions-of-joseph-smith/">Joseph Smith</a> was a prophet.  I know that <a title="Thomas S Monson" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/thomas-s-monson-named-president-of-the-church/">Thomas S. Monson</a> is a prophet today” and various other statements that start with the phrase “I know…”</p>
<p>They especially cite the practice of little children at the podium with a parent or sibling standing behind the child whispering the above phrases in their ear for the child to repeat out loud.  If you have been to an LDS <a title="Sacrament meeting" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Sacrament_Meeting">Sacrament service</a> on the first Sunday of the month you know what I am talking about.  Having grown up in the church this little ritual does not seem at all strange to me.</p>
<p><strong>Direction from the Brethren</strong></p>
<p>However, apparently enough people thought it wrong that <a title="The Brethren" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Brethren">the Brethren</a> issued a letter to be read in all wards advising that little children practice their testimonies at home or in <a title="Primary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Primary">Primary</a> classes instead of at the pulpit in <a title="Fast and Testimony Meeting" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Fast_and_Testimony_Meeting">fast and testimony meeting</a>.  Even though this was issued more then five years ago, the practice continues and so it bears re-reading by <a title="Bishopric" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bishopric">bishoprics</a> on a regular basis.</p>
<p>To quote: “It may be best to have younger children learn to share their testimonies in settings such as <a title="Family Home Evening" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Family_Home_Evening">family home evening</a> or when giving talks in Primary until they are old enough to do so unassisted in a fast and testimony meeting.”  Yes, little children can and do feel the <a title="Spirit of the Lord" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Spirit_of_the_Lord">spirit of the Lord</a> bearing witness to their souls of the truth but learning to express it may take some time.</p>
<p><strong>Brainwashing or groupthink</strong></p>
<p>But it’s not just the children’s <a title="Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Testimony">testimonies</a>that bother some within the church.  It is the idea of saying, “I know” that such and such a thing is true when logically, they cannot possibly know of the veracity of historical events because they weren’t there.  To these people, a thanktimony or a travelogue is preferable to hear rather than to have someone say that “they know” something.</p>
<p>Let’s investigate that.  The claim is <a title="Brainwashed" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mormons-are-brainwashed-lying-for-the-lord/">brainwashing</a> or <a title="Groupthink" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink">group thinking</a> without any real thought as to what is actually being said.  Is there any validity to this claim?  Of course there is.  You and I have both seen people get up to the pulpit and just repeat what they have heard other people say without sensing any depth of meaning behind what they are saying.  What do they really know?</p>
<p><strong>Discovering a testimony</strong></p>
<p>And yet, consider that <a title="Bearing testimony" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/elder-packer-was-right-about-bearing-testimony/">President Packer taught us</a> that “a testimony is to be found in the <a title="Bearing testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bearing_a_Testimony">bearing </a>of it.”  Isn’t it possible that when our children and youth get up there and say what comes into their hearts that they are entitled to receive <a title="Revelation" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Revelation">revelation</a> that what they are saying is good and true?  It is my personal experience, shared in <a title="Bear testimony to strengthen it" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/elder-packer-was-right-about-bearing-testimony/">a previous essay</a> that knowledge can be obtained like this.</p>
<p>Growing up in the church, we are taught in <a title="Primary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Primary">Primary</a> and <a title="Sunday school" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Sunday_School">Sunday school</a> all the basics we need to know to form a foundational testimony of the goodness and truthfulness of the <a title="Restoration" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Restoration">restored gospel</a> of Jesus Christ.  I am a product of this system of indoctrination and training.  I can tell you from my own experience that it works, or at least that it worked for me to a certain point in my young life.</p>
<p><strong>A testimony must grow</strong></p>
<p>I believe that most people who grow up in the church come to a point in their lives where they must advance beyond the basic testimony of their youth.  I also believe that the many natural circumstances of life will require us to make decisions about our testimonies that can be hard and perhaps even painful.  In my opinion, it is the same process through which a <a title="Convert" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Convert">convert</a> must pass.</p>
<p>In other words, the testimony of the youth obtained from repeating what was heard from others, is going to be tested and tried.  Was that childish testimony invalid?  No, a testimony obtained as a child is sweet and innocent and pure.  It is valid and real but does not have the depth to sustain us as we move through our lives into a world that challenges such innocent testimonies as naïve.</p>
<p><strong>The influence of leaders</strong></p>
<p>Unfortunately, it is about this point that some of our young people in the church struggle with the transition to the kind of testimony that can weather the storm of <a title="Adversity" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Trials">adversity</a> and <a title="Opposition" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Opposition">opposition</a>.  That’s where a good <a title="Seminary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Seminary">seminary</a> or <a title="Institute" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Institute">institute</a> teacher can make a real difference in the lives of our youth.  For me, it was a <a title="Scouting" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Scouting">scout advisor</a> and <a title="Counselor" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Counselor">counselor</a> in a bishopric who helped me make that transition.</p>
<p>I knew that Jim Mortensen cared about me because of his sacrifice of time in going with us on scout trips and other activities.  Although I had heard him share his testimony before, I took an occasion to ask him point blank in a private setting to tell me how he knew the church was true.  I know I surprised him, but I will never forget the depth of his sincerity or the spirit that I felt.</p>
<p><strong>A powerful example</strong></p>
<p>Even though Jim came to church alone because his wife didn’t feel comfortable there, he was always cheerful and friendly.  I knew that his testimony gave him strength but wanted to know <strong><em>how</em></strong> he knew that it was true.  He answered by asking if he could bear his testimony first.  “Of course”, I said and he did.  I was not prepared for the power of what I felt as he spoke slowly.</p>
<p>When he finished we both had tears in our eyes.  “You see, Tim,” he said, “every time I bear my testimony it is strengthened.  Every time I tell someone else that I know it is true, I feel it deep in my heart.  It is not simply an emotional response, but a deep conviction.  Now do you understand how I know?”  I did understand and made it my goal to follow his example throughout my life.</p>
<p><strong>Strengthened by sharing</strong></p>
<p>As I have served in the church over the years as a <a title="My Mission" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-teaching-and-testifying-missionary/">missionary</a> and as a leader in <a title="Ward" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ward">wards</a> and <a title="Stake" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake">stakes</a> I have always cherished the opportunities to teach the <a title="Gospel" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Gospel">gospel</a>and to share my testimony.  My friend Jim Mortensen instilled in me a desire to do so because I knew that as I bore my testimony to others that it would be strengthened and I would be blessed.  I am so grateful for his example.</p>
<p>I hope this story from my youth illustrates a concept that is hard for many people to understand.  Here is the idea: There are more ways to receive <a title="Knowledge" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Knowledge">knowledge</a> than exclusively through the five senses of the human body.  We can receive knowledge directly from God, through the spirit of the Lord speaking directly to our spirit.  This kind of knowledge is real and very powerful.</p>
<p><strong>Revelation is the source</strong></p>
<p>A valid testimony will always claim <a title="Revelation" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Revelation">revelation</a> as its source.  The things of God are known by revelation and in no other way.  It is one thing to be able to say, “I believe, I think, I hope that the gospel is true,” but it requires personal revelation from the spirit of the Lord to declare, “I know that the Church is true.”  There is simply no other way.  We must experience revelation.</p>
<p>We can say that we know the church is true by the power of the Holy Ghost and in no other way. It is not through <a title="Reason" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reason">reason</a>, <a title="Logic" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic">logic</a>, or the <a title="Philosophy" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy">philosophies of men</a> or the <a title="Theories" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory">theories of the world</a>, although these can help to explain it after the receipt.  A testimony of the gospel is received when the Holy Spirit speaks to the spirit within us.  It comes with calm, unwavering certainty into our hearts.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p>We should have the courage to say “I know.” Some may think this is a trite expression, but “I know” remains a powerful and moving phrase when spoken with sincere conviction. We should say “I believe” if, in fact, we only believe and do not yet know for sure.  We should strive for the day when we can say that we know, having received that knowledge from the spirit of the Lord.</p>
<p>Telling stories, expressing gratitude, admitting that we have testimonies, or saying that we only believe are not the same as saying that we know.  We can know for ourselves and we should know, but that knowledge comes only on the Lord’s terms.  It is received by revelation and not by reasoning or logic.  Once received, we can then say, “I know,” with conviction and mean it.</p>
<p>For more information:</p>
<p>1. <a title="Elder Oaks on Testimony" href="http://lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-851-10,00.html">Testimony</a>, Elder Dallin H. Oaks, Ensign May 2008<br />
2. <a title="Testimony in the Topical Guide" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=bbd508f54922d010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=d2157c2fc20b8010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____">Topical guide</a> reference to Testimony with scriptures<br />
3. <a title="I had questions, Elder Teh" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=024644f8f206c010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=88db6378be7f0210VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1">I had questions</a>, Elder John U. Teh of the Seventy<br />
4. <a title="Testimony as a process" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=d0e64bb52a73d110VgnVCM100000176f620a____&amp;hideNav=1">Testimony as a process</a>, Elder Carlos A. Godoy<br />
5. <a title="Encyclopedia of Mormonism" href="http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Testimony">Testimony</a>, in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism</p>
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		<title>Elder Packer was right about bearing testimony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[In one of our ward leadership meetings yesterday, I was asked to share the spiritual thought.  I thought about several things that I have pondered and written about lately and asked in prayer what would be best for that occasion.  &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/elder-packer-was-right-about-bearing-testimony/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
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<p>In one of our <a title="Ward organization" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Ward">ward leadership meetings</a> yesterday, I was asked to share the spiritual thought.  I thought about several things that I have pondered and written about lately and asked in prayer what would be best for that occasion.  <a title="D&amp;C 100:5-8" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/100/5-8#5">D&amp;C 100:5-8</a> came to mind.  I would like to elaborate on that here with the hope that it might be helpful for someone else who happens upon this essay.</p>
<p>I was first introduced to this scripture in <a title="Seminary" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Seminary">seminary</a> as we studied <a title="Church history" href="http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/history">church history</a>.  I was impressed with the basic promise of the Lord to <a title="Joseph Smith" href="http://www.josephsmith.net">Joseph</a> and <a title="Sidney" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Sidney_Rigdon">Sidney</a> that he would inspire them and back up what they said when they spoke.  “That’s wonderful for them,” I thought at the time.  I’m glad the Lord gave them this promise because it must be hard to always know the right thing to say.</p>
<p><strong>A powerful mission president</strong></p>
<p>One of the joys of <a title="My Mission experience" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/the-teaching-and-testifying-missionary/">my mission</a> was being taught by a man whom I already greatly admired for his devotion to religious education.  I had attended several <a title="Know Your Religion" href="http://ce.byu.edu/ed/arc.cfm">Know Your Religion</a> lectures presented by <a title="Joseph C. Muren" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=893894bf3938b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1">Joseph C. Muren</a> in the year before I left for Central America.  Halfway through my mission I was delighted to learn that he had been called to preside over the mission in which I was serving.</p>
<p>Zone conferences with <a title="Joseph C. Muren" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_C._Muren">President Muren</a> were simply amazing.  I don’t know how or why I was so blessed, but I will never forget the excitement I felt as President Muren taught us the principles of the lacing together effect.  He helped us to understand how natural it is for new converts to want to share their newfound faith with beloved family members and friends close to them.</p>
<p><strong>A unique interpretation of scripture</strong></p>
<p>During one particularly spiritual <a title="Mission organization" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionary_(LDS_Church)#Missions_and_mission_leadership">Zone Conference</a>, President Muren taught us the importance of being teaching and testifying missionaries.  We weren’t having too much success getting the investigator to pray in the first discussion.  He powerfully demonstrated how he would like us to conclude the first discussion by kneeling in <a title="Prayer" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Prayer">prayer</a> and inviting the family to join us as we did so.</p>
<p>He then shared <a title="D&amp;C 100:5-8" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/100/5-8#5">section 100:5-8</a> and testified that the Lord would put words into our mouths to know what to say that would bless the family the most with what they needed at that exact time we were there.  I remember thinking to myself at the time that this was going to be a leap of faith for me to go from something the Lord gave to Joseph to something I should use in my labors.</p>
<p><strong>Applying the scripture in our work</strong></p>
<p>So out we went to be a bit bolder in our teaching, testifying and challenging.  I vividly remember the first time we went to our knees at the end of a first discussion.  The family looked more than a little surprised but followed our lead.  After explaining what we were about to do, I opened my mouth to pray.  Something special and sacred happened at that moment that is hard to explain.</p>
<p>After thanking <a title="Heavenly Father" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Heavenly_Father">Heavenly Father</a> for the blessing of being able to teach that particular family about Joseph Smith’s <a title="First Vision" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/First_Vision">first vision</a>, I began to bless the family.  I found that I was not asking Heavenly Father to bless them, but that I was pronouncing blessings upon them that I knew they needed.  I was astonished, as was my companion, but not nearly as much as that special family.</p>
<p><strong>Powerful results of faith</strong></p>
<p>At the conclusion of the prayer, I opened my eyes and witnessed a grown man sobbing as he was overcome with the spirit.  His wife and three children, who were teen-agers, still on their knees, moved closer to him and we quietly watched as they shared a sacred family hug.  Slowly, we stood and silently waited.  When the man stood, he extended his hand and thanked us profusely.</p>
<p>“How did you know?” he asked.  “What do you mean?” I replied.  “How did you know to say those things you did?  You blessed us that we would have family unity and good communication between us.  You blessed us that our love for one another would be strong and that we would be able to overcome any financial difficulties that we might be experiencing at this time.”</p>
<p><strong>The Lord stands by his promises</strong></p>
<p>“I didn’t know,” I responded, “but your Heavenly Father did and he inspired me with what to say that you needed to hear.”  We made an appointment to return in a few days and quietly excused ourselves as it was evident that the family had some things that they wanted to discuss among themselves at that time.  The spirit was strong with all of us and we fairly floated out of there.</p>
<p>As my companion and I talked about this sacred experience I found myself saying, “You know, President Muren was right.  The Lord sends His spirit to bear witness to whatever we feel inspired to say when we do it in the spirit of solemn meekness and love.”  Now, not all of our discussions went like that but we sure had a lot more of them after that with similar results.</p>
<p><strong>Service over the years</strong></p>
<p>Fast forward seventeen years.  By this time I had a family and had served in several teaching and priesthood leadership positions in the church.  Our little inner-city ward was dwindling and I was juggling multiple callings because of lack of people to share the load.  I was beginning to feel a little burned out when we were privileged to attend a multi-<a title="Stake" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Stake">stake </a>conference with <a title="Elder Holland" href="http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/background-information/leader-biographies/elder-jeffrey-r-holland">Elder Holland</a>.</p>
<p>This was 1994, just before the death of <a title="President Ezra Taft Benson" href="http://www.lds.org/churchhistory/presidents/controllers/potcController.jsp?leader=13&amp;topic=facts">President Benson</a> and before he was called as an apostle.  I greatly admired the man, having read many of his <a title="President Holland BYU talks" href="http://speeches.byu.edu/?act=browse&amp;speaker=Holland%2C+Jeffrey+R.&amp;topic=&amp;type=&amp;year=&amp;x=15&amp;y=7">BYU talks</a> over the years.  I was impressed that Elder Holland was concerned about the one, even though his assignments brought him into teaching environments where there were hundreds, if not thousands who gathered to hear him.</p>
<p><strong>Taught by a General Authority</strong></p>
<p>As we gathered in our conference <a title="Priesthood Leadership" href="http://www.lds.org/pa/display/0,17884,5085-1,00.html">priesthood leadership</a> session, Elder Holland began to teach us the importance of speaking and teaching under the influence of the spirit when we are standing in front of a congregation or a class.  He then quoted <a title="D&amp;C 100:5-8" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/100/5-8#5">D&amp;C 100:5-8</a> and promised us that as we exercised faith in teaching the gospel, we would know what to say at the moment it was needed.</p>
<p>Even though I had witnessed this scripture fulfilled in my mission, I had not been as successful in my teaching assignments over the years since then.  I tended to over-prepare and always had more material than I could possibly present.  As a result, I found myself rushing through the lesson in an effort to fit as much in as possible.  I always felt exhausted after these experiences.</p>
<p><strong>Pause while bearing testimony</strong></p>
<p>Elder Holland then did something that I have rarely seen anyone do with such effect either before or since.  He told us that it is important that we pause after we teach a principle of the gospel so that the spirit can work on the people.  He then dramatically demonstrated this by slowly bearing his testimony and pausing to let the spirit sink it.  It was profound.  Silence can be so powerful!</p>
<p>This was an answer to prayer.  I was going so fast when I taught that the spirit didn’t have time to settle in people’s hearts when I bore my testimony.  I felt extremely grateful and wanted to get back to my ward to try this out.  I didn’t have to wait that long because Elder Holland asked for a volunteer to demonstrate this principle in action.  I soon found myself at the front of the chapel.</p>
<p><strong>Practice is part of preparation</strong></p>
<p>He asked my name and said, “Brother Malone, I want you to simply bear your testimony, but I want you to pause after each sentence as you look your brethren in the eye. Now, go ahead.”  I turned and faced hundreds of priesthood leaders including Bishops, Stake presidents, Elder’s Quorum Presidents and lowly ward executive secretaries and quorum instructors like me.</p>
<p>Maybe it was because I had a man who was about to be called as an apostle standing next to me but something sacred and special happened on that occasion that has rarely happened quite so powerfully since.  I did as Elder Holland taught and watched in amazement as men quietly began to wipe tears from their eyes as I bore witness to the truths of the restored gospel that I love.</p>
<p><strong>Give the spirit a chance to work</strong></p>
<p>When I was finished, Elder Holland invited me to sit down and then said very slowly and very quietly, “You see brethren, the Lord stands by his promises.  When we teach and bear testimony in solemnity of heart and in the spirit of meekness, the Holy Ghost is shed forth in bearing record to whatsoever we say because it is what the Lord inspired us to say at that moment.”</p>
<p>It was another one of those sacred moments for me.  I was immersed in the spirit while I was bearing testimony.  The Lord was strengthening me and bearing witness to me at the same time that I was bearing my witness to others.  I love that special and sacred experience and wish that it occurred more often in my life.  It took an apostle to teach me how to bear testimony with power.</p>
<p><strong>Summary and conclusion</strong></p>
<p><a title="Bearing a Testimony" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Bearing_a_Testimony">President Packer has said</a>, “A testimony is to be found in the bearing of it.”  Because this is such a powerful principle, it has been attacked by the adversary through enemies of the church, many of them former members who never quite got it.  They like to call it <a title="Lying for the Lord" href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/mormons-are-brainwashed-lying-for-the-lord/">lying for the Lord</a> and claim that the bearing of testimonies to one another is simply a form of brainwashing in an evil cult.</p>
<p><a title="The Candle of the Lord" href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=b4bbc5e8b4b6b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____&amp;hideNav=1">President Packer is right</a>.  There is nothing that can equal the experience of testifying of the truths of the gospel while under the influence of the spirit of the <a title="Holy Ghost" href="http://www.mormonwiki.com/Holy_Ghost">Holy Ghost</a>.  <a title="D&amp;C 100:5-8" href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/100/5-8#5">D&amp;C 100:5-8</a> can be one of the most difficult scriptures to internalize.  It takes a great deal of faith to trust that the Lord will inspire us but I know from experience that he does send his spirit to bear record to our words.</p>
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		<title>You can&#8217;t teach everything you know</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 20:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Malone</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back in the day when we had missionary farewells, I prepared and delivered my farewell talk with lots of fasting and prayer. I wanted it to be special for everyone in attendance, especially my own family. As I was giving &#8230; <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.com/blog/index.php/you-cant-teach-everything-you-know/">Continue reading <span class="meta-nav">&#8594;</span></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/SDS-12uvBMI/AAAAAAAAAeI/PFIq62uHU7E/s1600-h/TeachingGospel.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PQ20a3fjz14/SDS-12uvBMI/AAAAAAAAAeI/PFIq62uHU7E/s200/TeachingGospel.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5202993301953643714" border="0" /></a>Back in the day when we had missionary farewells, I prepared and delivered my farewell talk with lots of fasting and prayer.  I wanted it to be special for everyone in attendance, especially my own family.  As I was giving the talk, I could tell it wasn&#8217;t going well but couldn&#8217;t figure out why.  I plowed through anyway because I had spent so much effort in preparing the darn thing.</p>
<p>I later asked my family what they thought.  &#8220;Oh, it was nice,&#8221; was the response I got from almost everyone.   It wasn&#8217;t until I asked one of my older sisters for her opinion that I got an idea.  &#8220;Well, you certainly knew what <span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">you</span> were talking about,&#8221; as if to imply that <span style="font-style: italic; color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">she</span> had no clue.  That was my first experience in speaking over someone else&#8217;s level of understanding.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think such a thing was possible.  My sister was a <a href="http://www.byu.edu/">BYU</a> graduate and had sat through four years of mandatory religion classes but she didn&#8217;t understand my efforts to teach the basics of the conversion process that I was so excited to have experienced.  I had spent the previous six months of my life going through an intense immersion in spiritual things and wanted to share it.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Not everybody is at the same level</span></p>
<p>Now this may seem like a very rudimentary piece of advice to share, but it is a major key to a successful teaching or speaking experience in the church.  Sometimes in our zealousness, we can over-prepare and find ourselves teaching things that require much more time to understand the background information before the actual point can be accepted by the listeners or students.</p>
<p>For example, what if I were to tell you that there is absolutely no concurrent written record of one of the most important events in the history of the church?  I&#8217;m referring, of course, to the <a href="http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/priesthood/melchizedek/restoration.html">restoration</a> of the <a href="http://www.mormon.org/mormonorg/eng/basic-beliefs/glossary/glossary-definition/melchizedek-priesthood">Melchizedek priesthood</a>.  We have Joseph&#8217;s record in the <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/72#72">History of the Church 1:72</a>, indicating that it would be conferred in time, but we do not know the exact date.</p>
<p>Now this may not seem to be a big deal, but to a historian, the lack of an original source document attesting to this fact is tantamount to a lie.  The story is that the event was recorded in an early edition of Joseph&#8217;s history, but someone apostatized and took it with him.  It was never seen again.  Never mind that Joseph and every other prophet since has testified that it happened.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Implied occurrence of events</span></p>
<p>We have the word of thousands who have declared that the event did occur.  For example, <a href="http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=2354fccf2b7db010VgnVCM1000004d82620aRCRD&amp;locale=0&amp;sourceId=6bb6d7630a27b010VgnVCM1000004d82620a____">President Hinckley said</a>, &#8220;We do not know exactly where it took place, but, from the description given, it was not far away. Nor do we know the exact date. However, by piecing together various accounts and bits of history, we may assume that it occurred in the following month of June.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you see my point?  It is a simple thing to state, &#8220;I know the Melchizedek Priesthood was restored to Joseph Smith through Peter, James and John.&#8221; That&#8217;s all that really needs to be said.  There is just no need to say anything more unless asked.  Nothing needs to be said about the incomplete historical record.  It&#8217;s not like we&#8217;re hiding anything or trying to deceive anyone.</p>
<p>When the missionaries first teach about the restoration of the priesthood or when it is taught in seminary or institute classes, there is usually no mention made of this little fact that we have no actual written record of the event.  I&#8217;m not a historian and I&#8217;m not a scientist trained in the importance of empirical evidence so I don&#8217;t know why this is such a big deal with some people.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">To bear witness</span></p>
<p>Knowing that we possess no first-hand journal evidence attesting to the visit of Peter, James and John does not stop me from adding my witness that I know it occurred as Joseph said it did.  What?  How can I say that?  I wasn&#8217;t there.  There were no witnesses other than Joseph and Oliver and neither one recorded it in a journal on the day it happened.  How can I be a witness?</p>
<p>Ah, there is the beauty of the gift of the Holy Ghost and the promise of personal revelation as found in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/10/3-5#3">Moroni&#8217;s promise</a>: &#8220;And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.&#8221;  <a href="http://www.lds.org/library/display/0,4945,5344-1-2783-5,00.html">President Packer</a> gave us a wonderful corollary to this promise when he said that &#8220;a testimony is to be found in the bearing of it.&#8221;  It takes a leap of faith to do this.</p>
<p>I have taught this principle so many times that it has been ingrained into my soul by the spirit of the Holy Ghost.  I could no more deny it than I could deny that I was born in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covina,_California">Covina, California</a> in 1957.  I don&#8217;t remember the event but I&#8217;m told I was there.  I have much evidence of the fact.  Having or not having a birth certificate does not change the fact that I was born and I live.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Milk before meat</span></p>
<p>Back to the point of this essay.  I know some people hate the analogy of milk before meat.  Wait, that&#8217;s not an analogy, that&#8217;s scripture.  Didn&#8217;t Paul say that?  Yes, here it is in <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/heb/5/12-14#12">Hebrews 5:12-14</a>.  I&#8217;m sure you know what it says.  The principle is that we simply don&#8217;t and can&#8217;t teach some of the more deep or obscure doctrines of the church before investigators or new converts are ready.</p>
<p>If you have ever taught a <a href="http://www.lds.org/pa/display/0,17884,4647-1,00.html">Primary</a> class you know what I am talking about.  That is the obvious example but unfortunately, it still applies even to whole congregations at the ward, stake and entire church level.  The Brethren are so very careful when they prepare their <a href="http://lds.org/conference/display/0,5234,23-1,00.html">General Conference</a> talks to not present material that might be confusing or easily misunderstood.</p>
<p>I know what they are going through.  I have experienced the same thing so many times as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_council_%28Latter_Day_Saints%29">High Council</a> speaker.  As much as I wanted to talk about some of the complex and difficult nuances of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ, I felt impressed by the spirit to keep my talk simple.  I felt I should only bear witness to those things that are easily explained and understood.</p>
<p><span style="font-weight: bold;">Summary and conclusion</span></p>
<p>I have studied the restored gospel of Jesus Christ all my life.  I continue to do so and hope to do so until the day I pass into the spirit world.  I love the wonderful discussion that is occurring on the Internet as so many other faithful members of the church share their understanding of the gospel and experiences in living it.  Unfortunately, there are also some not so faithful dialogs.</p>
<p>I have yet to find a conflict between what I know and what is supposed to be shocking as found on the anti-Mormon, ex-Mormon or post-Mormon websites.  I&#8217;ve <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/04/five-kinds-of-non-mormons.html">confessed previously</a> that I have visited and read many of the things on those websites.  I read books that are considered controversial or apostate.  I enjoy the research but not the conclusions of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._Michael_Quinn">D. Micheal Quinn</a>.</p>
<p>I guess I have simply come to different conclusions about the history of the church than <a href="http://latterdaycommentary.blogspot.com/2008/05/new-mormon-history-grant-palmer.html">Grant Palmer</a>, Mike Quinn and others who have found what they consider to be irrefutable evidence of falsehood, lies, a cover-up and re-write of our history.  As I&#8217;ve said before, I haven&#8217;t seen it.  What I have seen is the Kingdom of God rolling forth in glory until it will fill the whole earth.</p>
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